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To: Red6; All

“RISING global temperatures may stall for the next decade, with some scientists now believing the natural response of ocean currents will temporarily offset the effects of climate change.”

The garbage-in garbage-out mathematical model of the “man-made” global warming hoax can call the “natural response of the ocean currents” a “temporary” affect, but the long natural history record of CO2 levels and “average global temperature” indicate that that affect is neither temporary nor is it the only “offset”, in the dynamic earth atmosphere, to the heat trapping ability of CO2.

The natural record is that CO2 is a trailing factor in earth temperature-change cycles, not a leading factor - it rises following a rise in temperature, sometimes long after and it falls after the temperature falls, again sometimes long after - indicating high levels of CO2 cannot sustain a rise in temperature when the sun and the entire dynamics of earth climate move into a lower-temperature range. It cannot keep the earth “warmer” against all the other factors and it cannot make the earth “warmer” against all the other factors.

Think of CO2 and the entire “greenhouse” ability of all the
“greenhouse” affects in the atmosphere - of which CO2 is one of the smaller ones - as something like the insulation in your house. Altogether, they keep your house as warm as you allow the heater to make it. If the heater goes out, they will not keep the inside of the house from eventually freezing in the dead of winter, no matter how much newspaper (extra CO2) you push into holes in your wall.

The sun as the primary driver AND the entire dynamics of earth’s climate as the collective secondary driver - not just the “greenhouse gases” alone - make the earth “warmer” or “cooler”. When the sun cycles and the cycles of all the dynamics of the earth’s climate, not just “greenhouse gases” , trend toward greater or lessor “warming”, the earth will warm or cool accordingly, and history shows CO2 trends will follow, not lead, in that process.

As a follower in those trends CO2 cannot create them and, at any level, it has not created the current trend.


17 posted on 05/02/2008 12:22:11 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I don’t even bother arguing the facts of AGW with these folks.

I go straight to their motivations as revealed by their “solutions”:

Destruction of capitalism, reduction of lifestyle of the masses, massive control over the populace’s energy consumption, and global socialism.


19 posted on 05/02/2008 12:25:10 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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