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Windfall Profits for Dummies
Wall Street Journal ^ | 3 May 2008 | Staff

Posted on 05/03/2008 7:26:42 AM PDT by shrinkermd

...Mr. Obama supports most of those "no drilling" rules, but that hasn't stopped him from denouncing high gas prices on the campaign trail. He is running TV ads in North Carolina that show him walking through a gas station and declaring that he'll slap a tax on the $40 billion in "excess profits" of Exxon Mobil.

...Exxon's profits are soaring with the recent oil price spike, but the energy industry's earnings aren't as outsized as the politicians seem to think. Thomson Financial calculates that profits from the oil and natural gas industry over the past year were 8.3% of investment, while the all-industry average is 7.8%. And this was a boom year for oil. An analysis by the Cato Institute's Jerry Taylor finds that between 1970 and 2003 (which includes peak and valley years for earnings) the oil and gas business was "less profitable than the rest of the U.S. economy."

This tiff over gas and oil taxes only highlights the intellectual policy confusion – or perhaps we should say cynicism – of our politicians. They want lower prices but don't want more production to increase supply. They want oil "independence" but they've declared off limits most of the big sources of domestic oil that could replace foreign imports. They want Americans to use less oil to reduce greenhouse gases but they protest higher oil prices that reduce demand. They want more oil company investment but they want to confiscate the profits from that investment. And these folks want to be President?

Late this week, a group of Senate Republicans led by Pete Domenici want to expand oil production off the U.S. coasts and in Alaska. It has the potential to increase domestic production enough to keep America running for five years with no foreign imports.

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KEYWORDS: bigoil; obama; taxes
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1 posted on 05/03/2008 7:26:42 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Obama, and his supporters never seem to realize that $40B ain't all that much when you look at the total volume of business done by Exxon. And no one seems to be willing to ask Barry just what a “fair” profit would be.

When we as a nation use 8.9B bbls of oil a year (price;approx $1.05TR) then the $120B profit of the oil companies ain't all that great.

2 posted on 05/03/2008 7:32:10 AM PDT by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who do neither, criticize.)
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To: shrinkermd
The United States Federal Government takes in $3,000 billion in "excess profits" every single year. There are 535 congressmen and senators. Exxon-Mobil's "windfall" is about as much as taken in by 7 average congress critters.

This is independent of the fact that the US Government probably made more than $40 billion off Exxon-Mobil last year, and will continue to make as much every year, even if Exxon Mobil never makes a penny in profits.
3 posted on 05/03/2008 7:34:56 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
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To: MCCRon58

What about the windfall profits Hillary made on Cattle Futures?


4 posted on 05/03/2008 7:38:39 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: shrinkermd
Few politicians are willing to increase the supply of oil. They know that the average IQ of most voters is slightly above that of broccoli, so they want to appear to hurt the companies that stupid people blame for high gas prices. They also prevent drilling off shore because it might ruin Teddy's ocean view. After all, we don't want to drill for oil in international waters in the Gulf just because other countries are doing it.

What the GOP needs to do is point out to Mr. Stupid that it makes more sense to encourage oil suppliers to find more oil than it does to punish them. They should also ask why it is less obscene to send your money to Washington bureaucrats, some of whom put it in a freezer, than to let the people who produce oil use it to augment production. Finally, the GOP should direct the EPA to limit fuel production to 3 blends (now refiners have to guess which blend of the 38 to produce), reduce the time it takes to get permits for refineries and power plants from 8+ years to 6 months, and point out that you probably can't ride a snail darter to work to get to a job that doesn't have any electricity to open the doors.

5 posted on 05/03/2008 7:39:47 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Mark was here
Democrats do not make windfall profits. Democrats make “smart investments”. And new tax shelter's for the proceeds thereof.
6 posted on 05/03/2008 7:40:55 AM PDT by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who do neither, criticize.)
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To: shrinkermd

Let’s have a WINDFALL PROFITS TAX on the Gore/Clinton money machines.


7 posted on 05/03/2008 7:51:42 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

More appropriately the George Soros money machine.


8 posted on 05/03/2008 7:59:09 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: shrinkermd
My Energy Manifesto:

* Cease all ethanol production. It requires more energy to make than it yields and the unintended consequence is higher food costs. Corn production shifted from feed-corn to subsidized corn for ethanol. Just say "no" to ethanol!

* Immediately create only ONE "blend" of gasoline and cease regional blends which are stupid, costly, and meaningless. Even if this is the "cleanest" blend, just make it ONE and be done with it. Trucking custom blends around the country is wasteful.

* Drill for oil in Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, and other sites in the CONUS as a matter of national security.

* Construct state-of-the-art refineries and/or retrofit current and dormant ones and crank up production.

* Make all “carbon credit” scams unlawful.

* Construct SEVERAL, regional Pebble-Bed Reactors (or other similar designs) that are not considered "breeders", are rechargeable, and cleaner than any current nuclear generator design.

* Use the residual heat from the reactor above to process motor fuel from coal and/or shale. Even though Clinton "stole" some of the best coal reserves, we still have a lot to use.

* Have Iraq pay for its freedom, and maybe even pay us back for their freedom. We'll still need their oil.

* Bust up the cartels or at least be independent enough to make the cartels inconsequential.

* Convince local taxing bodies to lift or fix the sales tax on gasoline so that as gas prices go up, the local tax collectors don’t see a windfall revenue jump at the expense of the consumer.

9 posted on 05/03/2008 8:03:03 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: shrinkermd
...Exxon's profits are soaring with the recent oil price spike, but the energy industry's earnings aren't as outsized as the politicians seem to think.

One thing is never emphasized enough.

Why not?

Regardless of how outrageous Exxon's "profits" (in absolute numbers) are, they pale in comparison to governments' extortion tax share!

At least three times as much.
Why do you suppose that is?
Why is no one in the MSM willing to mention it?
Why do the politicians play blind deaf and dumb?

10 posted on 05/03/2008 8:12:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: shrinkermd
This tiff over gas and oil taxes only highlights the intellectual policy confusion – or perhaps we should say cynicism – of our politicians. They want lower prices but don't want more production to increase supply. They want oil "independence" but they've declared off limits most of the big sources of domestic oil that could replace foreign imports. They want Americans to use less oil to reduce greenhouse gases but they protest higher oil prices that reduce demand. They want more oil company investment but they want to confiscate the profits from that investment. And these folks want to be President?

Very well said by the Wall Street Journal.

11 posted on 05/03/2008 8:22:04 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: SERKIT

...one more vore for #9.


12 posted on 05/03/2008 8:33:06 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

...woops, so solly Mr. Cartwright, who put the letter r so close to the T on my remington?

That’s vote for #9


13 posted on 05/03/2008 8:36:09 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: SERKIT

-—and start building nukes and state of the art coal fired power plants—at least one per state in the ten most heavily populated states—


14 posted on 05/03/2008 8:36:56 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

What I don’t understand is how the Dems can’t figure out that the tax will just be passed on to us in the form of even higher prices.


15 posted on 05/03/2008 8:40:36 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American. (George Carlin)
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To: shrinkermd

These “mean / greedy” oil firms - after paying a good dividend to millions of “stock owners”...

....as well as having already paid billions in state and federal taxes - take all those so called “excess profits” and reinvest them in the discovery and replacement of new oil supplies and/or in the upkeep and expansion of refineries...

All one has to do is look at national oil firms in Iran and Venezuela to discover that whenever the “profits” from oil are stripped away for “social programs” that the result is falling production year after year - and to make a “pun” the “well eventually dries up”...


16 posted on 05/03/2008 8:53:30 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: shrinkermd

Exxon-Mobil’s total profit number is meaningless, it is not a percentage, just a total. Exxon-Mobil was not too long ago two separate companies, with the total profit for either company probably about half of the new, merged company’s profit. I would imagine that the Delta Northwest airline merger could produce ‘record’ airline profits, too.


17 posted on 05/03/2008 8:54:57 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: shrinkermd

Bump, for the next time I get one of those idiot, “Let’s not buy gas for a day, that’ll show the barsteds!” emails.


18 posted on 05/03/2008 8:57:20 AM PDT by 75thOVI ("A nation, despicable by it's weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: 12Gauge687

Indeed!!!


19 posted on 05/03/2008 9:09:44 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: aflaak

ping


20 posted on 05/03/2008 9:20:35 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 (If you're not taking flak, you're not over the target.)
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