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Seattle officials propose 20-cent grocery-bag fee (Jan 1, if city council approves)
The Seattle Times ^ | April 3, 2008 | Sharon Pian Chan

Posted on 05/04/2008 5:12:17 PM PDT by Stoat

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Nickels and City Council President Richard Conlin proposed a 20-cent "green fee" Wednesday on all disposable bags to encourage customers to carry their milk and eggs home in their own bags.

Forget the canvas sacks at home? Shoppers at grocery, convenience and drug stores will pay the price starting Jan. 1, if the City Council approves. A family buying six bags of groceries a week would spend $62.40 a year in bag fees. The city will issue one free reusable shopping bag to each household.

"The answer to the question 'Paper or plastic?' should be 'Neither,' " Nickels said at a news conference. "Both harm the environment. Every piece of plastic ever made is still with us in the environment, and the best way to handle waste is not to create it in the first place."

The proposed fee, the first of its kind in the nation, is the latest green legislation from a mayor intent on making environmental stewardship his legacy.

Nickels and Conlin have been working on a "zero-waste" strategy to reduce trash and encourage recycling. They also announced Wednesday a proposed ban on plastic-foam food containers and cups at food-service businesses, starting Jan. 1. Nonrecyclable plastic containers and utensils would be banned in 2010.

"It's about the use of scarce resources, about pollution of our environment, about litter in our streets and parks and the costs, both economically and environmentally, of throwing away a piece of Earth we have an opportunity to protect and preserve," Conlin said at the news conference, which Councilmembers Tim Burgess and Sally Clark also attended.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: enviroweenies; grocery; plasticbags; seattle; washington; washingtonstate
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In March, Nickels ended the purchase of bottled water by city departments and proposed requiring all new Seattle taxis to get at least 30 miles per gallon. Last fall, he hosted a conference for U.S. mayors on climate change and persuaded more than 700 mayors to sign on to a pledge to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions based on the Kyoto Protocol.

"Never mind that Kyoto was rejected by BOTH Clinton and President Bush....if the US won't sign it and make it Federal policy, we'll just adopt it anyhow because we're hysterical Lefties and that makes us so very much smarter than anyone else...."

1 posted on 05/04/2008 5:12:17 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat
Seattle voters deserve it...keep sending Socialists to high office, you get more and more and more and more and more of your hard earned money confiscated by the Greedy Hand of Government.


2 posted on 05/04/2008 5:16:15 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just Say Nobama!)
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To: sionnsar

Pingaling!


3 posted on 05/04/2008 5:18:47 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: Stoat

I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste! I have used those large Sam’s insulated bags for years, and resent the waste that the throw-away bags produce.


4 posted on 05/04/2008 5:19:35 PM PDT by mountaineer1997 (Assault, mentally deficient, bully, ignorant)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Yep, they asked for it, they got it. Let them feel the pain.


5 posted on 05/04/2008 5:20:27 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Stoat

The government has no businsss dictating this issue. The cost of bags is factored into the cost of goods charged by the stores. If the stores want to ‘’give’’ away bags with their groceries, it’s their business.


6 posted on 05/04/2008 5:20:31 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. --Einstein)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

Loook for retailers to support this measure. Those bags are expensive!


7 posted on 05/04/2008 5:21:47 PM PDT by AndrewB
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To: mountaineer1997

>I agree with the charge for plastic bags.

and naturally, you and the government have the right to tax everyone for their choices when they do not agree with yours.


8 posted on 05/04/2008 5:22:32 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Stoat
Every piece of plastic ever made is still with us in the environment..."

Stupidity on parade.

9 posted on 05/04/2008 5:22:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: AndrewB
Those bags are expensive!

Not that we don't pay an arm and a leg for food as it is. If I lived in Seattle I would just do my shopping in the suburbs.

10 posted on 05/04/2008 5:23:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: mountaineer1997
I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste! I have used those large Sam’s insulated bags for years, and resent the waste that the throw-away bags produce.

And you don't feel that this should be left up to the free market, but that Government needs to step in and not ban them but make money off of them?

11 posted on 05/04/2008 5:23:15 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: NonValueAdded

Maybe they’ll realize their mistake...but I doubt it. Somehow the libs will begin to blame “Big Bag Manufacturers” for the cost.


12 posted on 05/04/2008 5:23:15 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just Say Nobama!)
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To: Stoat
To be collected and spent by the political class.

(Here in NJ they say they want to tax fast food. They think we don't know they're already taxing fast food at 7%, which means NJ probably makes more on a Big Mac than the McDonald's shareholders do.)

ML/NJ

13 posted on 05/04/2008 5:23:47 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Stoat

Why not mandate all Seattle residents just kill themselves? That will reduce the city’s carbon footprint down to 0.


14 posted on 05/04/2008 5:24:23 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: mountaineer1997

>>>>I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste!

I read somewhere they cost less than one penny to produce and biodegrade after 4 months.


15 posted on 05/04/2008 5:25:05 PM PDT by angkor
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To: sionnsar

Publicly-humiliated-by-our-state-once-more Ping.


16 posted on 05/04/2008 5:26:20 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Screw ‘em. Maybe they’ll carry home the bug spray one week and their produce the next in their nice little canvas pouch of death. Let Darwin sort ‘em out.


17 posted on 05/04/2008 5:26:22 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Stoat

elect idiots and pay forever for that mistake


18 posted on 05/04/2008 5:27:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... Home at last, Thank God almighty I am home at last!)
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To: Stoat

That would be regressive. They’ll need another government giveaway program for the poor to compensate. Isn’t it neat how this works?


19 posted on 05/04/2008 5:28:46 PM PDT by DManA
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

No chit!

Do you suppose they lie awake at night scheming to bring shame on the once great state of Washington?


20 posted on 05/04/2008 5:30:27 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: mountaineer1997
I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste! I have used those large Sam’s insulated bags for years, and resent the waste that the throw-away bags produce.

You're an idiot if you can't find a use for the bags.

I have two cats, and their box is cleaned out three times a day.

I bet you're the type who buys the expensive cinch-tie white plastic mega-bags!

If you are not, there is a box in most stores to recycle your bags.

Leave the rest of us alone!!!

21 posted on 05/04/2008 5:30:56 PM PDT by paulat (I'd rather spend my vote on someone who CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED)
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To: Stoat
obviously the same dogooder that feels they have the right to tell someone not to smoke ... while undoubtedly they inject with botox.

Same people who want this poor Bitter, God Lovin, Magic negroe despising, good ole boy to give up his guns and F-350 pick-up cause we ain't inthe same elite intellectual club they have self elevated their worthless selves to.

I bet this individual is soooo concerned that they press for a helmet las for those of us who enjoy our scooters.

dirtbags.... no other word for them

22 posted on 05/04/2008 5:31:41 PM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: Stoat

Do you get a discount if you use hemp bags?


23 posted on 05/04/2008 5:32:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mountaineer1997

I use canvas bags that I’ve gatherred over the years, not so much to prevent waste but because they’re so strong I’ve never had one break. Intetrestingly, the box-boy always asks, “Paper or plastic?”. This, despite the pile of folded and empty canvas bags on the counter. And my usual response is, “Canvas”, as I point to the bags he’s missed.


24 posted on 05/04/2008 5:34:47 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: rockrr
Do you suppose they lie awake at night scheming to bring shame on the once great state of Washington?

We are now more officially "left" than even New York City or San Francisco. They can't conceivably bring any more shame onto us than they already have, over the last two full decades of unending public mortification.

25 posted on 05/04/2008 5:36:37 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: All
I want my groceries in a box. After all they are Boxboys who are helping the clerk.
26 posted on 05/04/2008 5:36:45 PM PDT by troy McClure
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27 posted on 05/04/2008 5:39:09 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Stoat

Wasn’t it the enviro-wackos who made us switch to plastic bags some 20 years ago? What’s the problem, now?


28 posted on 05/04/2008 5:49:35 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Fast Moving Angel

Thank you for injecting that bit of reason! :~)


29 posted on 05/04/2008 5:52:03 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (I'd rather be single than wish I was.)
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To: mountaineer1997

Ditto...I hate it when my wife comes home from Kroger or WalMart with 8-10 bags that we have to throw away.

WHOLE FOODS gives 5 -10 cents per bag credit if you bring in any bag - even bags from Kroger.

I HATE WASTE OF ANY KIND.

But, I dont like govt getting this involved. I think more stores should follow Whole Foods’ lead on this...


30 posted on 05/04/2008 5:52:05 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: rabidralph
Wasn’t it the enviro-wackos who made us switch to plastic bags some 20 years ago? What’s the problem, now?

I was in Taiwan, where they instituted a per bag charge (about 3 cents per).

One difference was they stopped putting everything you buy into a bag (for instance a bag of potato chips at 7/11).

Cuts down on a lot of garbage with just that.

31 posted on 05/04/2008 5:53:27 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Stoat
Wasn't it not so long ago that we were to be taxed for using paper bags?

Whether it's paper bags or political correctness in a larger sense, we need to quit buying into the premise until these folks at least propose a sensible alternative that they won't change in a years' time. Just because they seem to enjoy chasing their tails (many of them literally) doesn't mean I have to join them.


32 posted on 05/04/2008 5:54:15 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (See my profile for hundreds of little freeper pics!)
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To: Stoat

I use my own bags a lot. I don’t use bottled water most of the time. I have a water filter squeeze bottle and two Culligan jugs I can refill at Walmart. I also compost. However, there’s no recycling where I live so I try to buy more glass than plastic. I think a person can be smart about green living. People don’t like to be TOLD what to do.

Besides, the plastic bags are recycled as liners for my juice machine then I use that same bag to clean out the catbox, never in reverse ;o) I usually pick extra plastic bags out of the plastic bag recycling bin at Walmart.


33 posted on 05/04/2008 5:56:19 PM PDT by cyborg (Living strong for my mother and my residents since March 12,2008)
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To: Stoat

canvas bags... great for shoplifters!


34 posted on 05/04/2008 5:56:50 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I was thinking the very same thing.


35 posted on 05/04/2008 5:58:57 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
The government has no businsss dictating this issue. The cost of bags is factored into the cost of goods charged by the stores. If the stores want to ‘’give’’ away bags with their groceries, it’s their business.

I'm already paying for them as part of the price of the groceries.  Will they now start demanding that grocery stores charge for parking in the lot at the store, so that the city can add a a tax to the parking fee 'to discourage this horrible business of driving to the grocery store'?

36 posted on 05/04/2008 5:59:08 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: pnh102

You’ll make up the cost of the bags in gasoline in short order.

Gas is well over $4.00 a gallon here in LA.


37 posted on 05/04/2008 6:00:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: paulat

I don’t even buy trash bags anymore. I use the paper and plastic bags I get when I shop.


38 posted on 05/04/2008 6:00:23 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (I'd rather be single than wish I was.)
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To: pnh102

I don’t think that will satisfy them. They’ll want more concessions than even that.


39 posted on 05/04/2008 6:01:26 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (I'd rather be single than wish I was.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Every piece of plastic ever made is still with us in the environment..."

Stupidity on parade.

Or Socialism on parade; same thing  :-)

40 posted on 05/04/2008 6:02:56 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: AndrewB

IIRC, the cost of a paper bag is somewhere around 12 to 15 cents. And I believe that is the double handled one.

I like Trader Joe’s idea:

They make up brightly colored, strong, reusable bags with their logo. They charge .99 cents for each bag. When you come back and use the bag again they give you a ticket to fill out your name and phone. You go into a weekly raffle for $25.00 free groceries.


41 posted on 05/04/2008 6:03:57 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: All
Related FR threads that may be of interest

Series of blunders turned the plastic bag into global villain (Enviros misread() report)

Plastic Bags Evil Think Again, Some Scientists Say [bad science leading to bad decisions...]

42 posted on 05/04/2008 6:06:55 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
I don’t even buy trash bags anymore. I use the paper and plastic bags I get when I shop

I do the same I put the plastic bags into the paper bags with all my burnable trash and I burn it in a burn barrel every day. We don't use the garbage service as we recycle everything else. Even the old burn barrels.

43 posted on 05/04/2008 6:09:22 PM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: BunnySlippers
You’ll make up the cost of the bags in gasoline in short order.

How?

Also, I reuse the bags... for cat poop removal. If they were not included in the price of groceries I would have to buy another set of bags and spend more.

44 posted on 05/04/2008 6:10:58 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: AndrewB
Loook for retailers to support this measure. Those bags are expensive!

The twenty cents will go to the city -- just like a sales tax -- after the store deducts a small commission for cost and handling, probably no more than one or two cents per bag.

It won't be the retailers, it will be the city, who cleans up on yet one more tax.

45 posted on 05/04/2008 6:12:51 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: mountaineer1997
I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste! I have used those large Sam’s insulated bags for years, and resent the waste that the throw-away bags produce.

1. Good for you. You're saving the store a few pennies of profit everytime you use your own bags.

2. Why do you care what other people do? How does it affect you?

46 posted on 05/04/2008 6:17:22 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: pnh102; All
Those bags are expensive!

Not that we don't pay an arm and a leg for food as it is. If I lived in Seattle I would just do my shopping in the suburbs.

The price of the plastic bags is factored into the price of the groceries, just as is the price of the electricity to run the freezers and the cash registers; the taxes on the land and all other items of operating overhead. 

Re shopping alternatives, many people may indeed do exactly what you suggest.  I've also found that for some food items I can get a MUCH better deal by buying case lots at Amazon, even considering any taxes and shipping charges.

Amazon.com zatarain's

 

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47 posted on 05/04/2008 6:19:18 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: hinckley buzzard

If this were about reducing bag usage, they wouldn’t be so hot to tax the bags. There’s a bundle to be made. Soon enough, reduced usage *will* lead to a shortfall in whatever do-gooder programs are funded by the green fee. Some other tax will thus be implemented to keep these critical programs alive, of course.


48 posted on 05/04/2008 6:19:28 PM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: mountaineer1997
I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste! I have used those large Sam’s insulated bags for years, and resent the waste that the throw-away bags produce.

We are already paying for the bags. And people use those throw-away bags for other uses as well. Government intervention in Liberty is never the answer.

49 posted on 05/04/2008 6:19:44 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: mountaineer1997
I agree with the charge for plastic bags. What a waste! I have used those large Sam’s insulated bags for years, and resent the waste that the throw-away bags produce.

We are already paying for the bags. And people use those throw-away bags for other uses as well. Government intervention in Liberty is never the answer.

50 posted on 05/04/2008 6:19:51 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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