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To: StAnDeliver
How many of you would want to remain in such a devestated state? Do you really see it as being better than moving on?

No thanks.

You're free to choose for yourself and family, but don't choose for me or mine.

15 posted on 05/07/2008 4:46:18 PM PDT by Taylor42
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To: Taylor42; kingattax
"Her mother has withheld authorization for any rehabilitative medical treatment and therapy for Lauren..."

"How many of you would want to remain in such a devestated state? Do you really see it as being better than moving on?"

Obviously Lauren wouldn't want to either, and that's why her dad wants to try various medical approaches and therapies to help improve her condition. It is truly amazing what healing can occur in a life-promoting atmosphere.

Mom started fighting rehabilitation after the birth of the baby. My bet is Mom is content raising her grandchild and doesn't want any "complications." (To the extend that she would dehydrate her own daughter.) Pity that we live in a society where those of us that become "inconvenient," can be so easily, "medically" disposed of.

16 posted on 05/07/2008 5:27:24 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: Taylor42
How many of you would want to remain in such a devestated state? Do you really see it as being better than moving on?

I would also ask how many of you have every had a family member languish in long term care for years in a vegetative state and kept artificially alive against the patient’s and family’s expressed wishes for end of life care and dying by very slow degrees over many years?

Believe me when I say it’s not pretty seeing someone kept alive by a feeding tube.

My mother-in-law was in poor health for many years. She often expressed to me and my husband how much pain she was in and how tired she was and how much she just “wanted to go home” and be with her mother and father and brothers in heaven with God.

She was already in a nursing home after having suffered some small strokes and was too disabled to be cared for at home, when she pretty much refused to eat any more although at the time she was still very lucid, aware of her surroundings and verbally communicative. The nursing home doctor said we should put her on a feeding tube and she and we disagreed. We tried to convince her to eat but it was a battle. But she was a very strong willed woman and knew that her time on this Earth was coming near its end. But when she suffered a massive stroke and was no longer able to communicate or feed herself; at first we were presented with the option of whether or not to put her on a feeding tube and we said no. But the doctors then recanted that it was our or her choice citing that it would be cruel and unethical not to do so and cited their legal and ethical responsibly. (She did not have Advanced Directives and we only had a limited power of attorney and only over financial matters).

So they put her on a feeding tube anyway without consulting her family.

And she stayed in a vegetative state for the next four years without any hope for recovering higher brain function or awareness; at first not getting any better but then not getting any worse. But as weeks and months went by, and her and our finances where exhausted, she went on Medicaid. That meant we, her family, had no choice what nursing home she was placed in – i.e. if she had to be transferred from the nursing home to a hospital because of infections from the feeding tube or bed sores or pneumonia (which happened many times) and was in the hospital for more than three days, she would loose her bed at the nursing facility she had come from and was placed in the first facility that had the first available bed. We, her family had no say where she was placed unless we could pony up the full cost of advanced nursing care at a facility of our choosing. We often paid out of pocket, the cost of the nursing home care that she was not using because she was in a hospital just to keep the bed available in a nursing home we approved of. But we could only do so much and it pretty much bankrupted us.

Some of the “facilities” she was placed in over the four years she was in a vegetative state were better than others – some were adequate and some where “Hell Holes”.

Although she was totally unresponsive, I still visited with her several times a week, often doing her soiled laundry myself because the nursing home was not doing a very good job. I would visit at random times on random days and I’m sure I was a real thorn in the side of the administration of several nursing homes as I was a tireless advocate for her care. Although she was still technically “alive” in that her brain still functioned on a basic rudimentary level as to keep her respiration and heartbeat and basic organ functions still going, we saw no spark of life left in her and the only thing keeping her body alive was the feeding tube, a catheter and some very basic care like keeping her clean and turning her as to prevent bed sores.

One day we got a phone call from the last nursing facility that her heart had stopped and since we did manage to get a DNR order in place, she was not resuscitated and died. We were sad at her passing but relived as we believed that the person we knew and loved had left this mortal plane many years earlier.

As she spent the last few years of her so called “life” drawn up in a ridged fetal position, when her body was transferred to a funeral home for burial, the mortician told us there was no way to lay her out in a coffin with out literally breaking her bones and joints in order to do so.

And thankfully this was the very last indignity she ever had to suffer.

I am defiantly pro-life and erring on the side of life, but just because recent advances in medical science can keep a body alive, I believe that it isn’t always the ethical, moral and responsible thing to do so.
24 posted on 05/07/2008 7:03:39 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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