Posted on 05/07/2008 9:17:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom
COLORADO CITY, Ariz. — As the supper dishes were being cleared away and the rice pudding brought out for dessert, Marvin Wyler’s two wives, along with some of their children and a group of friends, began poring over the list.
The 44-page document, from a court in Texas, gives a glimpse of who is married to whom in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or F.L.D.S. — and in the hothouse world of religious polygamy, a list like that is a sort of Rosetta Stone to the usually hidden relationships of power, politics and piety.
“We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” .....
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
PING!!
FReepmail to be added to the FLDS Eldorado Legal Case Ping List
Yet another NY Times hit piece to ensure that Romney is not VP (they fear this most of all). Yet no expose’s about Obama.
It still stinks, the way they rounded up all the innocent children - ripped them right out of their mothers’ arms - and dumped them in foster homes hither and yon.
It really doesn’t matter.
The mothers would kick out their boys and marry off their daughters to old men when they turn 14 or 15.
Would you rather have the children raped by old perverts?
Sounds like a lot of light bulbs are are popping on in the heads of Colorado City/Hildale residents. And with Warren Jeffs in prison and other senior leaders a tad distracted at the moment, it’s going to be hard to clamp down on the information flow. Unlike the Texas ranch, there are no “compounds” in Colorado City/Hildale, and there are a lot of people like the Wylers — ex-members of the FLDS, but still polygamists — living intermingled with the FLDS members. I predict that the Colorado City/Hildale community will survive, but with a return to the more relaxed and fairly open society that existed when polygamists first settled in this area back in the 1930s. And a new prophet who’s not stark raving insane.
Good. It’s about time the heat was turned up on these vile men.
And foster homes are not as bad as some would have you think. Hmmm I raised 2 boys & never took a dime for them. Yet they had a inground pool, they shared a room, had a hot tub & whatever brand sneakers & clothing they asked for. I guess I wasn't a foster home as I did it because my 2 boys were my son's friends but they needed a loving family & they got it here. Monster that I am! And one just came back home with his wife when I was sick to help me with Sassy. Since they are now having a baby we decided it would be better for all of us if they just stayed here & saved their money.
I would rather see children whose mothers are unable or unwilling to take proper care of their children in a foster home then tossed out as the Lost Boys or girls given to dirty old men when they are underage to have sex in the name of a religion.
Oh, gimme a break. Most of those kids can’t identify their parents and their parents refuse to identify their own children. And a lot of parent-child pairs had already been forcibly separated by Warren Jeffs, as he ordered some parents sent to YFZ without their children, and some children sent there without their parents. This is a criminal group that practices institutionalized child abuse, and nobody owes any of them any apologies for bringing the operations at the isolated compound to a screeching halt. Plenty of these children would never have seen one or both of their parents again if they’d been left at the compound, but WILL see them again now that they’ve been taken out.
Good damn question. What is the reply???
Sigh, next we will hear about the tanks & the guns....Are you ready?
““They think they’re going to be next — that there’s so much pressure being brought on me that I’m going to raid them,” said Utah’s attorney general, Mark L. Shurtleff, a Republican. “They hear the rumors, and they call.”
Mr. Shurtleff said he planned no change in tactics, and no mass raids, which he said would only destroy the trust needed to protect people, including the young girls his office is trying to help. It is a point, he said, that he intends to make forcefully on Thursday night on a shared stage with the Arizona attorney general, Terry Goddard, at the meeting in St. George, about 45 miles from here.
Mr. Goddard, a Democrat, said he too intended to continue pursuing accusations of abuse case by case, with no mass arrests or seizures in the offing.”
The old teammates seem to be falling all over themselves to let the cults know that the sanctuary is still in place.
Thank God for Texas.
Well, if they all were adults (over 18) when they entered into their “arrangement” then they have nothing to be concerned about (other than some embarrassment over their personal lives becoming reading material for the bottom of the birdcage).
If they were underage or conspired to allow their underage children to be married off or thrown out onto the streets then I hope they’re scared.
With Jeffs out of the way, I think things are loosening up. This is from a 2007 blog: http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/2007/04/dogtown.htm
One sign things are changing: Dogs are every where.
I talked yesterday to Isaac Wyler, an ex-FLDS member who still lives in Colorado City, and he told me there are ‘’more dogs in this town than you can shake a stick at. They are coming in in droves.’’
You may remember that several years ago, former FLDS president Rulon Jeffs ordered the FLDS faithful to get rid of their dogs after a toddler was killed in a dog attack. The obedient followers did so.
Wyler also said kids are out playing — which I did notice last week while visiting the town. But is that due to the warm spring weather after a long hard winter, or something more?
Maybe some of the stalwarts will even show up at the Easter Festival set for Saturday in Cottonwood Park in Hildale.
Wyler and others say there appears to have been a change in philosophy. A year ago when Wyler went around town posting tax collection notices on doors he could hear taped sermons of FLDS leader Warren S. Jeffs being played in most of those homes.
That’s not true this year, Wyler said. He has heard tapes of Wendell Nielsen, whom many think is in line to become the next FLDS leader, playing in some homes.
Well when he starts hearing “God bless Texas”......
When you need a wide angle lens for a family portrait, get ready to talk to the Rangers.
““We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” said Isaac Wyler, 42, the eldest of Mr. Wyler’s 34 children, who was examining the list on Sunday to see which men may have had wives under the legal age when they married.”
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That “Pucker~Factor” just went Up,,,
I’m bettin’ that will be a large number,,,
I am wondering how many are running to Canada or the Mexican compounds.
“Would you rather have the children raped by old perverts?”
God forbid. The “old perverts” should have been rounded up, not the innocent children. And if the “old perverts” were rounded up, the women would be free to get their heads out of the rear-ends and get a clue. As it is, all of their fears about the outside world have come true.
“What goes in AZ and Ut will not wash in Texas.”
Apparently AZ and UT have respect for the Constitution.
Emptied,,,all gone,,,Where ?,,,South of course,,,
Other CULT members will take them in,,,Bet on that...
Oh I know other members will take them in, thats how they operate. Evil begets evil. I read how babies were ripped away from mothers & how children cried. But the bottom line is that DNA had to be taken to even see if the children match the parents. Thats horrible right there.....
Where in the Constitution is the right to rape underage girls granted?
Better start looking for them at ports and airports. They may try to make it to Saudi Arabia.
Actually, under our Constitution, all citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Pursuing happiness does not include crimes against other citizens and that is especially true when they are committed hiding behind the guise of freedom of religion.
If you think that’s in the Constitution, read it again.
If they had, you people would be on here complaining that they were being brought up on trumped up charges. With your kind, it is always the governments fault no matter how evil the perpetrators are.
The same place as the right to kill babies.
You just aren't looking hard enough.
Maybe if I wore my Ron Paul kook glasses I could find it. ;)
Well they might fit in. The Saudi’s might welcome them but then & again they might not. I guess it would depend on what they were offering to get into the country. The Saudi’s wouldn’t be supporting their wives & countless children. Plus the Saudi’s have those big swords they use to behead people with or cut hands off. I think its more likely they will hide as best they can here or in Canada. I just hope they stay out of NJ, we have enough problems.lol
If you were right, it would be the first time I would actually thank the NYT, for I fear Romney as VP as well. That is the last thing conservatives need, him with a shot in ‘12 or ‘16.
Of course in this case the NYT is just reporting facts for a change. And this should not be a problem for the Mittster, I mean after all, despite being started by the same "prophets", the LDS and the FLDS are worlds apart, right?
Oh Saundra, still wrong after all these many months of posting...
And where is your “Romney Rocks” tag line. I have learned much about the LDS “faith”, seems you still have a shot with him, now or in the here after...
Lets hope they rounded 'em up while they were still innocent children.
All of these cults should be busted up the same way.
I fear it too. Why should any conservative want another liberal on the Republican ticket? One just possibly more liberal than McCain.
The flds brought this on themselves.
They knew they were breaking the law.
They were the ones who didn’t keep good birth records.
They were the ones who lied to investigators initially and then lied afterwards.
Their leader is the one who is in jail for rape related charges.
They have no on to blame but themselves for the mess they’re in.
All those who are whining about what the big, bad, mean, evil government is inflicting on those “families” (for lack of a better term) need to remember that it pales in comparison to what the cult did in abusing those children and otherwise destroying their lives and their humanity.
This is long overdo. Those leaders need to rot in jail for the rest of their natural lives and continue to rot after they’re dead.
Ouch.
Well, Elian Gonzalez was really a member of the Cuban branch of the FLDS and we've all seen that picture.
Plus, I heard from a relieable source that the Texas rangers had an atomic bomb in reserve in case the FLDS got out of hand.
Interesting. I read somewhere else a couple of weeks ago, an ex-FLDS member telling a reporter: “Warren has abandoned this community. They don’t know it yet, but he has.” Combined with the fact that about half the British Columbia community has openly split with Jeffs to follow their former bishop, Winston Blackmore (who was officially kicked out of the church by Jeffs), it seems that Jeffs was regarding YFZ as the one true church community, and diverting nearly all his attention and resources (taken from the members of communities!) there. He was reportedly threatening suicide even before the YFZ raid. I rather wish the prison authorities would take him off suicide watch and let him off himself, which I strongly suspect he’d really do at this point.
Oh no, we don't need another martyr to the Joseph Smith cause.
Ping
Honestly, I think enough of the FLDS members have figured out what this guy is about, that they wouldn’t buy that he was a martyr. A few loyalists would run around claiming he’d actually been murdered by “the Beast”. But the shrewder guys who are fixing to take over control, would realize quickly that they’d do better to spread the word that he’d been seduced by Satan. His behavior over the last 6 years ago since he became “prophet” has been such that the seduced by Satan explanation would be more believable and more readily accepted. He’d be sure to use a bloody method, and everyone could go away happily believing that God had led him to undertake “blood atonement”, so that he could be forgiven and romp off to the celestial kingdom.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Is there nothing the government hating cult apologists won't come up with to discredit the government's actions and defend the poor, helpless, innocent widdle cultists?
I didn't know Romney was a polygamist!
Oh my.
Yeah, I hear he’s a Conservative too...
Dude, take off that tin-foil hat. There is nothing in the article about Romney. This is not a hit piece about Romney. Everything about LDS or FLDS is not about Romney.
And, why, do they fear Romney as VP "most of all"??
You should refrain from giving Constitutional classes. Do I need to point out your error? Blackbird.
And if the women were complicit?
susie
~~The eyes of Texas are upon you!~~
susie
That’s funny....it is more likely that UT has FDLS members/supporters in government who support a shameful heritage of polygamy and incest.
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