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Raid on Sect in Texas Rattles Other Polygamists
The New York Times ^ | 5/8/08 | KIRK JOHNSON and JOHN DOUGHERTY

Posted on 05/07/2008 9:17:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom

COLORADO CITY, Ariz. — As the supper dishes were being cleared away and the rice pudding brought out for dessert, Marvin Wyler’s two wives, along with some of their children and a group of friends, began poring over the list.

The 44-page document, from a court in Texas, gives a glimpse of who is married to whom in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or F.L.D.S. — and in the hothouse world of religious polygamy, a list like that is a sort of Rosetta Stone to the usually hidden relationships of power, politics and piety.

“We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” .....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; govtabuse; polygamy
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1 posted on 05/07/2008 9:17:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: NYpeanut; the808bass; brytlea; pandoraou812; ricks_place; CindyDawg; Huntress; Pebcak; ...

PING!!

FReepmail to be added to the FLDS Eldorado Legal Case Ping List


2 posted on 05/07/2008 9:18:32 PM PDT by Politicalmom (It's the child abuse, stupid!!)
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To: Politicalmom

Yet another NY Times hit piece to ensure that Romney is not VP (they fear this most of all). Yet no expose’s about Obama.


3 posted on 05/07/2008 9:24:33 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Politicalmom

It still stinks, the way they rounded up all the innocent children - ripped them right out of their mothers’ arms - and dumped them in foster homes hither and yon.


4 posted on 05/07/2008 9:25:57 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

It really doesn’t matter.

The mothers would kick out their boys and marry off their daughters to old men when they turn 14 or 15.


5 posted on 05/07/2008 9:34:03 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Would you rather have the children raped by old perverts?


6 posted on 05/07/2008 9:48:53 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Politicalmom

Sounds like a lot of light bulbs are are popping on in the heads of Colorado City/Hildale residents. And with Warren Jeffs in prison and other senior leaders a tad distracted at the moment, it’s going to be hard to clamp down on the information flow. Unlike the Texas ranch, there are no “compounds” in Colorado City/Hildale, and there are a lot of people like the Wylers — ex-members of the FLDS, but still polygamists — living intermingled with the FLDS members. I predict that the Colorado City/Hildale community will survive, but with a return to the more relaxed and fairly open society that existed when polygamists first settled in this area back in the 1930s. And a new prophet who’s not stark raving insane.


7 posted on 05/07/2008 9:50:49 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Politicalmom

Good. It’s about time the heat was turned up on these vile men.


8 posted on 05/07/2008 9:51:27 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: JRochelle; TigersEye
I don't feel a bit sorry for them. You reap what you sow. Did they think this would go on forever? I also want all the welfare money repaid, as if that will ever happen. You want multi wives & tons of children support them yourself! No more Bleeding the Beast!

And foster homes are not as bad as some would have you think. Hmmm I raised 2 boys & never took a dime for them. Yet they had a inground pool, they shared a room, had a hot tub & whatever brand sneakers & clothing they asked for. I guess I wasn't a foster home as I did it because my 2 boys were my son's friends but they needed a loving family & they got it here. Monster that I am! And one just came back home with his wife when I was sick to help me with Sassy. Since they are now having a baby we decided it would be better for all of us if they just stayed here & saved their money.

I would rather see children whose mothers are unable or unwilling to take proper care of their children in a foster home then tossed out as the Lost Boys or girls given to dirty old men when they are underage to have sex in the name of a religion.

9 posted on 05/07/2008 9:53:30 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Keep your hands off my deceased family members, thats plain creepy!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh, gimme a break. Most of those kids can’t identify their parents and their parents refuse to identify their own children. And a lot of parent-child pairs had already been forcibly separated by Warren Jeffs, as he ordered some parents sent to YFZ without their children, and some children sent there without their parents. This is a criminal group that practices institutionalized child abuse, and nobody owes any of them any apologies for bringing the operations at the isolated compound to a screeching halt. Plenty of these children would never have seen one or both of their parents again if they’d been left at the compound, but WILL see them again now that they’ve been taken out.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 9:59:20 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Antonio C; Saundra Duffy
Would you rather have the children raped by old perverts?

Good damn question. What is the reply???

11 posted on 05/07/2008 9:59:47 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Sigh, next we will hear about the tanks & the guns....Are you ready?


12 posted on 05/07/2008 10:10:25 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Keep your hands off my deceased family members, thats plain creepy!!!)
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To: Politicalmom

““They think they’re going to be next — that there’s so much pressure being brought on me that I’m going to raid them,” said Utah’s attorney general, Mark L. Shurtleff, a Republican. “They hear the rumors, and they call.”

Mr. Shurtleff said he planned no change in tactics, and no mass raids, which he said would only destroy the trust needed to protect people, including the young girls his office is trying to help. It is a point, he said, that he intends to make forcefully on Thursday night on a shared stage with the Arizona attorney general, Terry Goddard, at the meeting in St. George, about 45 miles from here.

Mr. Goddard, a Democrat, said he too intended to continue pursuing accusations of abuse case by case, with no mass arrests or seizures in the offing.”


The old teammates seem to be falling all over themselves to let the cults know that the sanctuary is still in place.

Thank God for Texas.


13 posted on 05/07/2008 10:14:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Texas)
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To: Politicalmom

Well, if they all were adults (over 18) when they entered into their “arrangement” then they have nothing to be concerned about (other than some embarrassment over their personal lives becoming reading material for the bottom of the birdcage).

If they were underage or conspired to allow their underage children to be married off or thrown out onto the streets then I hope they’re scared.


14 posted on 05/07/2008 10:31:40 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Catch the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon film at a time!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

With Jeffs out of the way, I think things are loosening up. This is from a 2007 blog: http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/2007/04/dogtown.htm

One sign things are changing: Dogs are every where.

I talked yesterday to Isaac Wyler, an ex-FLDS member who still lives in Colorado City, and he told me there are ‘’more dogs in this town than you can shake a stick at. They are coming in in droves.’’

You may remember that several years ago, former FLDS president Rulon Jeffs ordered the FLDS faithful to get rid of their dogs after a toddler was killed in a dog attack. The obedient followers did so.

Wyler also said kids are out playing — which I did notice last week while visiting the town. But is that due to the warm spring weather after a long hard winter, or something more?

Maybe some of the stalwarts will even show up at the Easter Festival set for Saturday in Cottonwood Park in Hildale.

Wyler and others say there appears to have been a change in philosophy. A year ago when Wyler went around town posting tax collection notices on doors he could hear taped sermons of FLDS leader Warren S. Jeffs being played in most of those homes.

That’s not true this year, Wyler said. He has heard tapes of Wendell Nielsen, whom many think is in line to become the next FLDS leader, playing in some homes.


15 posted on 05/07/2008 10:31:55 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-hshootingsports.org)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Well when he starts hearing “God bless Texas”......


16 posted on 05/07/2008 10:35:53 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: ansel12
For sure. What goes in AZ and Ut will not wash in Texas.

When you need a wide angle lens for a family portrait, get ready to talk to the Rangers.

17 posted on 05/07/2008 10:37:34 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: CindyDawg; Politicalmom

““We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” said Isaac Wyler, 42, the eldest of Mr. Wyler’s 34 children, who was examining the list on Sunday to see which men may have had wives under the legal age when they married.”
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That “Pucker~Factor” just went Up,,,

I’m bettin’ that will be a large number,,,


18 posted on 05/07/2008 11:00:20 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I am wondering how many are running to Canada or the Mexican compounds.


19 posted on 05/07/2008 11:10:47 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Keep your hands off my deceased family members, thats plain creepy!!!)
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To: Antonio C

“Would you rather have the children raped by old perverts?”

God forbid. The “old perverts” should have been rounded up, not the innocent children. And if the “old perverts” were rounded up, the women would be free to get their heads out of the rear-ends and get a clue. As it is, all of their fears about the outside world have come true.


20 posted on 05/07/2008 11:26:25 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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