Posted on 05/09/2008 2:06:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan
HH: We begin this Thursday as we do those Thursdays when we are lucky with Columnist to the World, Mark Steyn. You can read all of Steyns musings at www.steynonline.com. Mark, I gather we find you in Canada today.
MS: Yeah, Im up in Toronto for the Canadian launch of the paperback of America Alone. And speaking of Michael Yon, incidentally, I did a big, standing room only at the big bookstore, Indigo, here in Toronto last night, with the president of the chain, whos like, which is like Borders and Barnes & Noble combined. And a guy came up her afterwards, and pressed into her hand a little piece of paper with Michael Yons name on it, saying that she needed to fly Michael Yon in for the next big author event. Hes got a lot of fans up here, too.
HH: Good for her. Moment of Truth is the book, well be talking a lot about it, and you can get a free copy, by the way, America, if you go to www.townhallmagazine.com/truth, and youll get a free copy. Hey, Mark, Im surprised youre in Canada. I thought you risked arrest whenever you went north of the border these days.
MS: (laughing) I do. Ive got, as you know, these outstanding human rights complaints. Ontario, which ruled that it didnt have jurisdiction to try Macleans Magazine and myself, nevertheless said you know, we dont have jurisdiction to toss these guys in jail, but we would if we could. That was absolutely extraordinary. They said if we had put this on a sign rather than in a magazine, they would have jurisdiction to prosecute us. So I actually, Ive actually taped the magazine article to a sign, and Im going to deliver it to the Ontario Human Rights Commission, and invite the relevant thought police to actually go ahead with their threat. I mean, if its just the medium, I say bring it on, as John Kerry would say.
HH: Theyll find a way to duck that. They want no part of that, and well that they should not. Now Mark Steyn, you had a full house at the bookstore? So how is America Alone in paperback selling in Canada if its such an offense against all decent and proper Canadian thinking?
MS: Well, I think I dont know how many people, I think it was like four hundred people or something. I think thats the four hundred non-anti-Americans in the entire province of Ontario, all came out to see me. And Im very glad to see them, and America Alone is doing well up here. The hardback edition was number one in Canada. You know, the reality is, theres a lot of people who are disturbed by various trends in the world. Theyre not all conservatives, theyre not all Republicans by any means. Theres certainly a lot of liberals, not as many as one would like, but there are people who think of themselves as liberals and progressives, and who are nevertheless a little rattled by some recent trends.
HH: Well, lets turn to recent trends down here. I like to give you new audio each week, and Michelle Obama was out speaking again. Id like to give you a couple of cuts of Michelle Obama from this past Friday. Heres cut number one.
MO: Well, what did Barack do? He became a community organizer.
MS: (laughing)
MO: working in some of the toughest neighborhoods on the south side of Chicago, worked for years in neighborhoods where people had a reason to give up hope, because their jobs had been lost, steel mills shut down, living in brown fields left by those closed steel plants, unsafe streets, schools deteriorating, grandparents raising grandkids. Barack spent years working with churches, busing single mothers down to City Hall to help them find their voice, building the kind of operations on the ground, just like hes doing in this race, block by block, person by person. Now you tell me whether theres anybody in this race who can claim to have made the same choice with their lives. You tell me. But I think that Barack Obama is the only person that can claim that kind of choice so trust me, weve seen it all. Barack has seen it all.
HH: Mark Steyn?
MS: (laughing) Well, you know, thats I dont know Chicago doesnt sound like part of America. It sounds like we need to fly in some U.N. relief agency. They should all pull out of Burma and fly into these derelict parts of Chicago. The fact is, community organizer is a bogus term. She ought to knock it off. Real people one of the most pathetic aspects of this race is that somehow, a guy like Mitt Romney, who runs successful companies, hes regarded as Mr. Bloated Plutocrat like the guy in the top hat on the Monopoly board. A guy like that actually makes a contribution to peoples lives, to generating the great wealth in corporate America that pays for everything else. And a community organizer, which most functioning communities in the United States dont have the need for, is an entirely bogus term. She is becoming, I miss Teresa Heinz Kerry.
HH: (laughing)
MS: God bless here. I used to love going to John Kerry events, and John Kerry would be droning I say to George Bush, bring it on, and Teresa used to stand there next to him looking board out of her skull. God bless her. She was a, you know, shes a genuine, a very genuine woman. And Michelle Obama by contrast seems to have all the condescension of Teresa Heinz Kerry, plus this weird bitterness and anger. I think shes a very strange woman.
HH: What about the idea that Barack has seen it all? You know, I played this for John McCain yesterday. Hes the only one whose done this sort of thing, and Senator McCain, to his credit, didnt mention his five and a half years as a guest of the North Vietnamese when talking about things that perhaps he hadnt seen.
MS: Oh, come on, Hugh. You know, that may have been mildly discomforting, but its not like being a community organizer in Chicago, is it?
HH: (laughing) No, its not.
MS: Come on, come on. Baracks seen it all. Go on. He would have you know, you think having your fingernails pulled out by the Viet Cong is tough? You should try being in brown field Chicago. Ugh. Honestly, Hugh.
HH: Heres some more Michelle. Cut number two.
MO: Well see, his mother had a lot of nerve on her own, right? She thought that she could be something special, even though she grew up in a little town in Kansas.
HH: Mark Steyn, even though she grew up in a little town in Kansas.
MS: (laughing) Were not in Kansas anymore. I dont recognize
HH: (laughing)
MS: I simply dont recognize this vision of America. You know, the problem is that Barack hasnt seen it all, that in fact, and I speak as a foreigner here, but you know, it takes one to know one, that he seems to have been exposed in his adult life to a very narrow sliver of the United States, and thats why when he talks about these God-fearing gun nuts in rural Pennsylvania, he talks about them as an anthropologist would about a remote tribe in the jungles of Papua New Guinea. That actually is Barack Obamas biggest problem, that he hasnt seen enough of America.
HH: Now how in the world did Hillary Clinton not beat him like a drum? How could she not, as Rush likes to say, as everyone on the radio, Michael Medved, Dennis Prager, Bill Bennett, hes as green as ivy, and yet she could not beat him.
MS: But hes out-punched her. Hes trumped her on the identity politics thing. You know, the first woman candidate would be viable if it werent for the fact that Hillary Clinton is very well known. Generally speaking, the Republicans vote for the bore whos next in line. And its just a question of whether you get someone effective whose turn it is, as it was for Ronald Reagan, or you get someone whose relatively disastrous, like Bob Dole. The Democrats are fixated on novelty, so if youve got an identity politics trump card with a fresh face, that trumps identity politics with a stale, old face, which and I dont like Rush, Ive got a crush on her, too. Lets face it. We all have now, just because shes making this race interesting. I dont mean that in a misogynist sense, but just that shes been around a long time, and the Democrats value novelty in their primaries.
HH: Now Mark Steyn, in terms of the medias treatment of Barack Obama, and Im hoping I can keep you for two segments today, but the media treatment of Obama, John Roberts brings him onto CNN on the morning of the primary, and says this is a Jeremiah Wright-free zone. Is that just what were going to have to get used to between now and November?
MS: Well, I dont quite understand how the pastor who married this guy, and has been responsible for the religious education of his children, and in whose pews he sat every Sunday except for AIDS Conspiracy Sunday and Post-9/11 America Had It Coming Sunday. And I mean, I dont know. Apparently, Barack is now the most irregular regular church attender in the United States. But I dont see how that can suddenly become like the Swift Boats, or like Gennifer Flowers. Theres something rather scandalous and vulgar that these genteel dowitcher duchesses of the mainstream media simply recoil from going anywhere near, because its all too frightful and vulgar. I mean, thats a remark that just makes the journalist in question look like a total bonehead.
HH: But will it keep up? Will it go on?
MS: Well, I would think so, and thats whats ridiculous. I mean, this is where Michelle Obama becomes interesting, because she in fact, you know, you get the sense that she pretty much shares the Jeremiah Wright worldview. Its easy to open up your show by saying, by being all prissy and saying oh, were going to be a Jeremiah Wright-free zone. Its a lot more difficult, with Michelle Obama giving these speeches, to say oh well, were going to be a potential first lady-free zone. I mean, essentially, the mainstream media will make themselves look even more of a joke if they try to apply these same kind of kid gloves treatment to the candidates wife.
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HH: Mark Steyn, Ive more for you of Michelle Obama to play, but before that, since youre in Canada, within a week, we will learn if the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service declares the polar bear to be endangered, and thus, every federal action of the United States subject to review by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Do you find much polar bear panic in Canada?
MS: No, there is no polar bear panic. Essentially, this is the sort of Disney-fied anthropomorphization of public policy, all because of that ridiculous shot that appears in the Al Gore movie of the polar bears clinging to this piece of ice. Polar bears anyone whose been to the north knows that polar bears well, you dont have to have been to the north. All you have to do is have watched a couple, two or three wildlife documentaries, and paid reasonable attention. Polar bears can swim in water. Theyre perfectly capable of swimming in water. This picture is of no significance, yet we are about to impose yet another absurd, unnecessary, crippling level of regulation in the name of this ludicrous sentimentalization of the environmental issue. The fact is, its getting to the stage now where environmentalism is, which was a new religion, is now becoming a kind of, a form of mental illness, I think. Whatever happens, it gets hot, it gets cold, the ice shield firms up, the ice shield melts, its all the symptom of the same thing, man is responsible, global warming, we have to wreck the global economy. To put the polar bear on the endangered species list is an act of economic suicide, and people shouldnt be doing it.
HH: All right, now back to Michelle Obama. Another cut for the edification of Mr. Steyn:
MO: The bar is shifting and moving on people all the time. And folks are struggling like never before, working harder than ever, believing that their hard work will lead to some reward, some payoff. But what they find is that they get there, and then the bar has changed. Things are different. It wasnt enough. So you have to work even harder. And see, what happens when you live in a nation where the vast majority of Americans are struggling every day to reach an every-shifting and moving bar, then what happens in that nation is that people do become isolation.
HH: Okay, stop right there. Mark Steyn, the vast majority?
MS: Yes, the more I listen to Michelle Obama, the more I feel like struggling to reach the ever-shifting bar, and have a couple of martinis. I mean, this is an insane caricature of America. It is true that there are, and I run into a lot of them among my neighbors in New Hampshire, that youll meet people, youll meet women, for example, who are doing three jobs. Theyll be doing a waitressing shift, and a shift at the convenience store, and theyll have a little home cleaning business. And when you actually ask them why it is that theyre doing this, its often for social reasons, but its also because of the fact that government is taking such a big slice of the pie, that in fact, if you were to trim down government, and the vast majority or largely superfluous services that it attempts to provide badly, and allow people to keep more of their money, they wouldnt be having to do these two or three extra jobs. Thats the reason. Its the metastasizing government and bureaucracy and regulation that imposes costs on the efficient part of the U.S. economy.
HH: And also because it occurred to me, Mark Steyn, if you remember the allegory in Platos Republic of the cave when you see the shadows on the wall
MS: Right.
HH: If you come out of a machine politics city like Chicago, where everything depends upon the government, and government payoffs, and people really are not advancing, they dont have entrepreneurial excellence in that sort of exploding capitalism, you develop a very perverse sense of what the rest of the country is like. You mentioned this in the last segment. They really have not seen it all. They havent seen very much at all.
MS: No, and everyone knows that when you try to do I know this, in fact, from my days at the Chicago Sun-Times when the company that owned the Sun-Times at that point was trying to get permission to demolish the old building, and Donald Trump was going to build a new building. Now in those circumstances, what you do is effectively, youve got to deal with the city, youve got to deal with the administration. And almost every activity in Chicago involves dealing with government. And that makes it actually very different from, I think, the more dynamic parts of this country. I dont believe that dynamism of a society derives from government. And I believe in that great Ronald Reagan line, and I wish John McCain would start using that, because it would do him a lot of good, Ronald Reagan said we are a nation that has a government, not the other way around. The Obamas come from a culture that thinks the government has the nation. Theyve got it the other way around.
HH: Lets switch over to international affairs, because the news this afternoon is that the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Ayab al-Masri, has been arrested in Mosul, another blow to al Qaeda in Iraq, Mark Steyn. Do you think the significance
MS: Yeah, he didnt have quite as dramatic an end as Zarqawi, who wound up pushing up daisy cutters or whatever is was. But it was clear when this fellow took over, that it wasnt a job with long term life expectancy. This guy is a foreigner, and I think thats important to remember when you listen to the left bleating about the American occupiers in Iraq, that in fact, al Qaeda in Iraq is headed by foreigners like Zarqawi and his successor. They have no place there. The Sunni minority in Iraq, which has been the main source of such support as these guys have had, has now grown tired of them, is betraying them to the authorities, and is making it increasingly difficult for these fellows to operate.
HH: Does the incredible success of the surge combined with the Anbar awakening become an issue in this campaign? Or has it effectively been cemented into place by the agitprop of the MSM?
MS: No, I think what it is, is that the media and the Democrats have one narrative for Iraq quagmire, quagmire, quagmire, defeat, defeat, defeat. So if you change that, if you say look, which is what a superpower should be able to do, change the facts on the ground as the surge did, what the media do is say simply oh, well, Iraq has moved from the top of the news, when we had the burning car of the night photograph from the Green Zone, it led the news. Now we dont have the burning car of the night, well get to Iraq at the 28th minute, just before the new fat pill. That is what the media and the Democrats are doing. Iraq is either a quagmire, or its no story at all.
HH: Mark Steyn, always a pleasure. Good, safe travels from Canada back to New Hampshire, good luck selling America Alone wherever you are. The paperback edition is out, America, soaring to the tops of the paperback edition of the bestselling lists in two countries, probably more in Europe, I just dont know. And you can get it from www.steynonline.com.
End of interview.
ROFLMAO!!!
community organizer=MOB BOSS
LOL.
DOesn’t the title sound more like what Tom Hagen was doing than what Michael Corleone?
Yep. I've been there.
Community Organizer = Pinko Leech
I could see a community organizer coming to my door. They would be told the count to clear the driveway and get off my property.
“Yes, the more I listen to Michelle Obama... I mean, this is an insane caricature of America. It is true that there are, and I run into a lot of them among my neighbors in New Hampshire, that youll meet people, youll meet women, for example, who are doing three jobs.... And when you actually ask them why it is that theyre doing this, its often for social reasons, but its also because of the fact that government is taking such a big slice of the pie, that in fact, if you were to trim down government, and the vast majority or largely superfluous services that it attempts to provide badly, and allow people to keep more of their money, they wouldnt be having to do these two or three extra jobs. Thats the reason. Its the metastasizing government and bureaucracy and regulation that imposes costs on the efficient part of the U.S. economy.”
Bingo! We have a winner!!!
Not quite all, huh?
This is why I absolutely adore Mark Steyn! What a man!
Mark lives here in Lyme, NH, which is one of the most liberal towns in the state. Just north of Hanover (Dartmouth). Trust me, some of his neighbors are real pips. But then, some of them are the few remaining native salt-of-the-earth types as well.
I live on the eastern edge (opposite side) of the same county.
LOL!
What insensitive language! Doesn't he know that His Grace Lord Obama would talk to these people and make them like us? He shouldn't talk about their traumatic martyrization so flippantly!
Ping
Sorry,,,, it won’t happen again!
That’s gotta be a top-10 Steynism and he did it live off the cuff. We’re not worthy.
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