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Suspected cause of type 1 diabetes caught "red-handed" for the first time
Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis ^ | May 8, 2008 | Michael Purdy

Posted on 05/10/2008 4:36:30 PM PDT by neverdem

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Dendritic cells in islets of Langerhans constitutively present β cell-derived peptides bound to their class II MHC molecules
1 posted on 05/10/2008 4:36:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 05/10/2008 4:39:01 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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3 posted on 05/10/2008 4:39:47 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

Dang dendrites!


4 posted on 05/10/2008 5:02:31 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: neverdem

The article title over-sells the incomplete state of their knowledge.

According to the late Dr. Robert C Atkins there is already a cure for juvenile diabetes, at least in some cases:

“To give you the flavor of the exhilarating satisfaction I get from practicing this new kind of medicine; listen to the story of my patient Marie Speller. An eleven-year-old who had been recently diagnosed with juvenile diabetes, she had been prescribed two varieties of insulin. Doctors are traditionally taught that juvenile diabetes carries with it a life sentence requiring insulin. However, I had learned from treating other diabetic patients that if one of the lesser-known vita-nutrients, calcium AEP, is given during the first year of this illness, the illness can be reversed. I put Marie on a vita-nutrient program, and we were able to lower her insulin dose, week by week, until six months later she stopped taking the drug completely. Her blood sugar levels were virtually normal and have remained so for the past two years, at which time her pancreas responded to a carbohydrate meal with a normal output of insulin.”
from “Dr. Atkins’ Vita-Nutrient Solution : Nature’s Answer to Drugs” by Robert C. Atkins, M.D.


5 posted on 05/10/2008 5:03:44 PM PDT by devere
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To: neverdem

Ah, the far-flung Isles of Langerhans...


6 posted on 05/10/2008 5:14:43 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only thing that prevents liberals from loading us all into cattle cars is the power to do it)
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To: devere
According to the late Dr. Robert C Atkins there is already a cure for juvenile diabetes, at least in some cases:

IMHO, I think it is more likely the kid had a genetic variant for MODY, Maturity Onset Diabetes of the Young.

Some Diabetics Don’t Have What They Thought They Had

7 posted on 05/10/2008 5:40:33 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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Dang dendrites!

Dendrites are parts of neurons, the main cells in the nervous system. These are dendritic cells, sentinels in the immune system.

Dendritic cells play a critical role in a number of immunological processes. These recently described cells function as potent antigen presenting cells, act as stimulators of a mixed lymphocyte reaction, and serve as passenger cells that elicit rejection of transplanted tissues. They originate from the bone marrow, sojourn in the blood, and reside in the tissues. Two aspects of dendritic cells are being studied: differentiation from bone marrow in vitro and ability to function as antigen presenting cells in a number of tissues. Under the influence of granulocyte/macrophage colony stimulating factor (GM-CSF), dendritic cells differentiate from bone marrow precursors over 4-5 days of culture in a serum-free medium. For both rat and mouse, dendritic cells produced in culture differ functionally and phenotypically from their precursors. Studies using monoclonal antibodies and functional assays are aimed at delineating the differentiation pathway and establishing the relationship between dendritic cells and other bone marrow-derived cell types. In addition, dendritic cells are being studied in the eye and lung where special immunological conditions exist. Immune responses do not always occur when antigens are introduced into these tissues, even though dendritic cells are present. We are interested in determining how the immune responses are controlled.

8 posted on 05/10/2008 6:00:58 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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“IMHO, I think it is more likely the kid had a genetic variant for MODY, Maturity Onset Diabetes of the Young.”

That’s very interesting. Calcium AEP is known to have a therapeutic effect on other auto-immune disorders, such as MS, so the truth is uncertain. If the medical profession were rational healers they would resolve the ambiguity by intensively testing this otherwise harmless substance. But alas, that is not the world we live in.


9 posted on 05/10/2008 6:37:48 PM PDT by devere
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I suspect this problem is being caused by the vaccination of children at such a young age.


10 posted on 05/10/2008 7:06:39 PM PDT by I got the rope
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I suspect it is more likely linked with developmental immunotoxicity events (prenatally) among susceptible genotypes. For example Heilmann et al. PLoS Medicine August 2006 shows how even childhood vaccine responses at age seven are more directly influenced by cord blood toxicant (in that case PCBs) levels than the blood levels occurring at age seven at the time of the vaccination. So earlier events can establish the subsequent childhood immune dysfunction.


11 posted on 05/10/2008 7:33:45 PM PDT by rod1 (u)
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To: devere

I used to work with a woman that could list off the nutritional supplement cure for practically any malady, including type 1 diabetes. Really annoying. I learned to never discuss health issues of any kind with her. For every disease or disorder out there, including mental ones, somebody is convinced there is a nutritional cure for it.


12 posted on 05/10/2008 7:44:13 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: I got the rope
I suspect this problem is being caused by the vaccination of children at such a young age.

Why? Do you have evidence of an increase in the incidence of type 1 diabetes over time?

13 posted on 05/10/2008 8:00:55 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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A 20+ year study from Finland points to the cause and a possible reversal process. Infants were dosed with 2000 IU’s of Vitamin D, per day, for a year. In the succeeding 20+ years, 80% of the expected juvenile diabetics did not appear. It seems that T1 diabetes is associated with allergies to bovine milk proteins that confound the positive benefits from vitamin d. The lower net regulating effect of sub-optimal vitamin d levels is what permits the auto-immune processes to attack the pancreatic beta cells.
14 posted on 05/10/2008 8:53:57 PM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.com)
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To: Minn
For every disease or disorder out there, including mental ones, somebody is convinced there is a nutritional cure for it.

And they usually believe that the nutritional cure has been SUPPRESSED by GREEDY BIG PHARMA so they can rack up OBSCENE PROFITS selling their POISONS to the victim-public.

15 posted on 05/10/2008 8:54:28 PM PDT by TChad
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“For every disease or disorder out there, including mental ones, somebody is convinced there is a nutritional cure for it.”

It really doesn’t matter what someone thinks, it matters what is really true. Doctors tell me that nutritional cures are “not proven medicine”, but they don’t say that no one will ever spend the money to prove them, because it just isn’t profitable. Seeing is believing, and when you see as I have someone given up for dead by conventional medicine come back to life with nutritional treatment, you know, not guess, that there is something to it. It doesn’t always work; nothing does!


16 posted on 05/10/2008 10:08:35 PM PDT by devere
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“2000 IU’s of Vitamin D”

That’s very interesting.

Vitamin D is shaping up as the cure-all of the 21st century:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/28/ST2008042801462.html


17 posted on 05/10/2008 10:19:02 PM PDT by devere
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It really doesn’t matter what someone thinks, it matters what is really true. Doctors tell me that nutritional cures are “not proven medicine”, but they don’t say that no one will ever spend the money to prove them, because it just isn’t profitable.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH)[http://www.nih.gov/] funded part of this diabetes study. The NIH is part of the Department of Health and Human Services which funds Medicare and about half of Medicaid as well as part of the Child Health Insurance Program. If there was so much to all these nutritional cures, the feds would be jumping all over themselves to fund the studies if there was any potential to save money.

18 posted on 05/10/2008 10:40:26 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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“If there was so much to all these nutritional cures, the feds would be jumping all over themselves to fund the studies if there was any potential to save money.”

You’d think that they’d want to, but they don’t.

For instance, a nutritional cure for multiple sclerosis was published in 1973 by Dr. Frederich R. Klenner, BS, MS, MD. Dr. Klenner was a graduate of the Duke University medical school, and was a Fellow of The American College of Chest Physicians; Fellow & Diplomate: The International College of Applied Nutrition; Fellow: The American Association for the Advancment of Science; Fellow: The American College of Angiology; Fellow: The American Academy of Family Practice; Fellow: The Royal Society of Health (London); Fellow (Honorary): The International Academy of Preventive and Orthomolecular Medicine; Fellow: International College of Angiology; and Founder-Fellow: American Geriatrics Society.

In the “Conclusions” of this paper he states the following:

“We categorically make this statement: Any victim of Multiple Sclerosis who will dramatically flush with the use of nicotinic acid, and who has not yet progressed to the stage of myelin degeneration, as witnessed by sustained ankle clonus elicited in the orthodox manner, can be cured with the adequate employment of Thiamin Hydrochloride and other factors of the Vitamin B Complex in conjunction with essential proteins, lipids, carbohydrates and injectable crude liver. If sustained ankle clonus is not bilateral, then it is not a deterrent. We have had patients who did demonstrate bilateral sustained ankle clonus, and who were in wheelchairs, and who returned to normal activities after 5 to 8 years of treatment.”

http://www.tldp.com/issue/11_00/klenner.htm

I probably wouldn’t believe this bizarre state of affairs myself, if I hadn’t had my eyes opened by personal experiences in my own life.


19 posted on 05/10/2008 11:03:59 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere
In the “Conclusions” of this paper he states the following:

"Injectable crude liver" sounds off the wall. It looks like he never submitted his paper to a peer reviewed journal.

Enter Klenner F or Klenner FR into PubMed. That's the way to do an author search at PubMed.

There's no citation for 1973. F.R. Klenner had four citations between 1949 - 1952. One included MS and the other three included vitamins.

20 posted on 05/10/2008 11:48:14 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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