Poll: Most Jewish voters want Obama to win

Yeah, I know: rationality and logic, not to mention self-preservation.

But the people who have said versions of the *ashamed* trope are proud that they are PC and just make a face and say that they “know what is right in [their] gut.” Some were highly educated, back in the 60s/70s before PC ruined the schools/universities. I’d have to say that they DO prefer being losers or dead to fighting back and that they honestly believe that the global consequences of losing would be peace.

Drives me totally nuts and is why I simply cannot be in their presence for very long.

You have to realize that supporting Israel and going to Temple are not necessarily the same thing—though you are more likely to support Israel if you attend services regularly. I think what you are seeing is many Jews being silent in their support for Israel ‘cause they know is is no longer popular with their liberal friends. This is the same thing as distancing themselves.

Barabara Striesand and Steven Speilberg are too big examples of this. Both were huge supporters of Israel in the past—now BS won’t even attend the 60th anniversary celebration. So event though they may be “power brokers”, they are still influenced by the opinions of their Leftist “friends”.

I think a very big reason for their liberalism, is the fact that almost every Jewish family values higher education above everything. They disproportionally go for graduate degrees where they are indoctrinated into liberalism. Most want to attend the Ivy league schools (indoctrination centers), because they are supposed to be the quickest routes to success.

In answer to your question on the "Muslim voting bloc," there were so few Muslim voters in the country until the last decade or two that no one in the political world had been conscious of them. So there is no historical info available there. There were a handful of Arab-Americans who achieved high public office in the last several decades, but these were all Christians, not Muslims.

I also ... know that Jews as a political group have been less loyal to the Republicans than Blacks have.

I don't know what you mean by that. The voting patterns of Jews and Blacks parallel each other to an extent. Both were predominantly Republican in the post-Civil War years. Jewish voters, when they became predominantly of eastern European origin by the 1920s, then swung over the Dems, even a decade or so before FDR, though FDR did accelerate that process enormously. Blacks (those outside the South who could vote) were Republican a bit longer, even voting predominantly for Hoover vs. Roosevelt in 1932. They switched dramatically to FDR and the Dems in 1936 and have remained even more loyal to them since then. Since the civil rights movement in the 1960s, Blacks have been constantly voting about 90% for the 'Rats, while Jews as a group have been somewhat less loyal, averaging somewhere in the 70-75% range.

For most large immigrant ethnic groups, the general pattern is that they vote predominantly Democrat at first, then become more like the rest of of the country as they assimilate more in succeeding generations. The Jews seem to be an exception to that rule, which is why this subject causes so much consternation to conservatives, Jewish and non-Jewish.

“I think what you are seeing is many Jews being silent in their support for Israel ‘cause they know is is no longer popular with their liberal friends. This is the same thing as distancing themselves.”

Wow, what a dangerous parallel I see here, between fearfully silent Jews and all the fearfully silent “moderate” muslims who are repeatedly asked WHY they don’t speak out against radical, jihadist Islam.

“Barabara Striesand and Steven Speilberg are two big examples of this. Both were huge supporters of Israel in the past—now BS won’t even attend the 60th anniversary celebration. So event though they may be “power brokers”, they are still influenced by the opinions of their Leftist “friends”.”

In THIS case, I think the reason is - both of them (and peers of their mindset) are first and foremost, anti-war (of any kind) AND anti-Bush. The connection is that Bush (and most Republicans) are committed to supporting Israel even unto the point of war, if necessary. Liberals...? Not so much. Thus, if Streisand, Speilberg et al have to make a choice, like all (far-left) libs, they will take the anti-Republican/conservative stance every time. So, sorry, Israel.

That’s the way I see it, anyway.

I think you’re making my point for me: anti-war and anti-Bush are both liberal positions. So they will catch hell from their friends if they are seen as supporting Bush. However, Bush is not the only element in the equation. I also think a sufficient number of liberals are anti-Israel that this influences their thinking too.

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