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To: joan

>. There were reports of up to 400,000 Albanians from Albania and Macedonia flooded Kosovo after NATO’s war. The border was left wide open for many months.

I realize that you probably think Srebrenica didn’t happen, Bosnian “rapes” were fake, that Croatia bombed Dubrovnik and that Serbs didn’t loot, kill and /or rape civilians during the 4 wars they started, but still:

where are those reports??

>. Britain says 90% of the alleged Kosovo refugees they’ve deported, they sent to Albania after discover that is where they were from.

Booohoo. People lie to get papers as if Serbs, Romanian or Chinese don’t do the same.

I will answer the “invented” rape (and looting) cases when I get back: but start searching for Arkan’s goons going to prisons and releasing the scum of the scum to unleash them on civilians. Also start to search on why:

“During the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, Serbian men described themselves as compelled to rape and murder Kosovar women and children. This felt necessity was provoked and sustained by collective memories nurtured in Serbs for seven centuries. The basic question I hope to answer is whether group members caught in the throes of collective memories should be held responsible for their actions when they “can do no other.”” http://volokh.com/files/serbposter.jpg

From NYT (part of the conspiracy, I take?):

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As Djakovica suffered, other Serbs were at work nearby purging a wide area they regarded as a rebel highway.

In a rare account by a Serb, a captured soldier described to NATO interrogators how his infantry battalion was sent without explanation to Pec.

On March 27, the soldier said, his commander gathered about 100 men outside an elementary school and outlined their mission: expelling Albanians from their homes. The time had come, he said, to drive the Albanians out of Serbia, according to an American official familiar with the account.

The troops were to move through the city house by house, he said, ordering residents to dress in a few minutes, pack one small bag and leave in the direction of Decani, a city to the south. The soldiers looted jewelry, torched homes. At day’s end, many were driving new cars.

An artillery and armoured unit deployed to the nearby village of Ljubenic used rougher tactics. The soldier said a friend in the unit had told him they had killed 80 men while expelling the women, children and elderly.

In another of the region’s villages, Bela Crkva (Bellacrkva in Albanian), on March 25, soldiers and special policemen torched the homes and farm buildings and killed at least 62 people, most of them gunned down with automatic weapons in a stream bend.

‘’They just started shooting,’’ Mr. Zheniqi, a survivor, said in an interview. ‘’The dead bodies behind me pushed me over a cliff and into the stream. I was lucky because all the dead bodies fell on top of me.’’

It was one of a series of mass killings over the next few days along a seven-mile stretch of villages in the rolling hills, including Celina, Pirane, Krush-e-Vogel (called Mala Krusa in Serbian) and Krush-e-Mahde (Velika Krusa), where Bekim Duraku remembered, life was so ‘’beautiful, if someone offered to take me to the United States, I wouldn’t have gone.’’

On March 26, the third day of the NATO bombing, the idyllic life ended in one of the best-documented of the mass killings, including an amateur videotape of the bodies. Serbian forces stormed through the village shooting down people in several areas, burning some bodies, digging a mass grave with a backhoe for others and leaving some lying in piles on the ground.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5DF1430F93AA15756C0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=4


33 posted on 05/16/2008 4:05:30 PM PDT by old-and-old
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To: old-and-old
more and now I have to leave:

"To amplify the effect of the killings in Kosovo, Serbs gunned down Albanians in the streets and in their homes, sometimes at random, sometimes from target lists. Bodies have been mutilated, with ears cut off, eyes gouged out or a cross, a Serbian symbol, carved into foreheads or chests.

In many places the Serbs compounded the fear with humiliation. Older men were beaten for wearing the white conical hats of the Albanian mountains or forced to make the Serbian Orthodox three-fingered sign. One refugee convoy passed row on row of white conical hats set atop fence posts.

Two months into the campaign now, the terror has been devastatingly effective and virtually unhampered by NATO's bombing campaign, judging by accounts from refugees, relief workers and officials from international agencies, NATO and the United States Government.

By early May, 90 percent of all ethnic Albanians in Kosovo had been expelled from their homes, the State Department says, 900,000 driven across the province's borders and 500,000 more displaced inside Kosovo. Most of those remaining have been chased into hiding in forests and mountains, huddled together in villages penned in by snipers waiting to be allowed to flee, or captured, their fate unknown. "

The title of this story is: HORROR BY DESIGN -- The Ravaging of Kosovo, A special report.; How Serb Forces Purged One Million Albanians http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5DF1430F93AA15756C0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
34 posted on 05/16/2008 4:10:05 PM PDT by old-and-old
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To: old-and-old
Yes the NYT does propaganda and is a part of the mainstream press. Even Freepers call it the New York Slimes - or something like that.

And yes, in the writing they don't even name the sources of the "Serbian soldiers" or alleged captured Serbian POW who makes these claims. It sounds purely fictional.

Oh and note the claim of the Albanian liar: ‘’They just started shooting,’’ Mr. Zheniqi, a survivor, said in an interview. ‘’The dead bodies behind me pushed me over a cliff and into the stream. I was lucky because all the dead bodies fell on top of me.’’

So where is the man's injuries if he was "pushed over a cliff and into a stream"? Where's a photo of this man?

The international officials involved in the courts in Kosovo after the war said about the Albanians "No one hesitates to make things up."

As for the rapes there has BEEN NO DNA NOR PATERNITY EVIDENCE. They don't even try. The rape babies only exist in the propaganda of dodgy hoaky stories.

You are a sucker for propaganda.

49 posted on 05/17/2008 1:44:31 PM PDT by joan
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To: old-and-old
"Booohoo. People lie to get papers"

Interesting how you admit to Albanians lying about that when confronted by the evidence. They were caught lying on a massive scale which included making up stories.

Yet your small brain doesn't consider the Albanians (and other Balkanites) ability to lie and make up stories for their propaganda.

They were even caught inventing atrocity stories - claiming people were killed by the Serbs when those people were later found alive, well and unscathed.

A Canadian reporter did a documentary following an 18-year-old Kosovo Albanian girl, Rajmonda, who in the beginning (late 1998) was in a hospital said to be recovering from the shock of her little 6-year-old sister killed by the Serbs.

Later the reporter visited and the girl was a KLA soldier. The reporter, Nancy Durham, had always wanted to visit Rajmonda's home but Rajmonda kept telling her it was too dangerous.

After the war, however, Nancy Durham went to Rajmonda's home and saw the claimed murdered sister alive, well, unscathed and completely oblivious to Rajmonda's tale.

At first Rajmonda and her parents tried to deny it and claim it was another girl, but the reporter combed through the family albums as she sat on a couch in their home, and realized the family was lying.

Finally Rajmonda did admit she lied and said it was the KLA doctors who had trained her to lie. Rajmonda was already a KLA soldier in the beginning when she posed lying on the bed pretending to be in shock.

Here is one report on the story. The original documentary had aired in Canada and many other nations and I'm sure if you'd seen it you'd believe in Rajmonda's lying claims. I'm sure if the truth was discovered people who still be showing the documentary as evidence of Serb atrocities.

CONNED IN KOSOVO: A CBC REPORTER'S DILEMMA HOW TO RESPOND WHEN A TALE OF ATROCITY ISN'T TRUE?

HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA -- When Nancy Durham first discovered that she had been lied to, her reaction was "the most incredible sinking feeling."

Ms. Durham, a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) television reporter, had returned to Kosovo in June of this year, to do a follow-up piece on an 18-year-old girl who had joined the Kosovo Liberation Army after her young sister had been killed by Serbs. The girl's story had been part of a larger piece that aired on the CBC in January, to much critical praise. Yet as Durham stood in the doorway of the family's home in Skenderaj, the sister who was supposed to have been killed was standing there, alive and well.

Rather than trying to excuse or brush off the lie, or have the CBC do a simple correction, Durham decided to do a full story - not only about the girl who told it, but what it said about how news is reported from a war zone.

The result is a 16-minute report: "The Truth About Rajmonda: A KLA Soldier Lies for the Cause." It's being hailed by many media observers in Canada as a breakthrough piece that should serve as a model for other news organizations.

Durham's involvement with Rajmonda Rreci began in September 1998 while she was filming a piece on an Albanian doctor. Rajmonda, a patient, told Durham on camera that she was joining the KLA to avenge the death of her six-year old sister. Durham (who works as a one-woman reporting "team") returned in December 1998 and tracked down Ms. Rreci. During that interview, Rreci said that her sister was fortunate to die for Kosovo, and that she would do the same.

Then in June, almost as soon as NATO-led peacekeeping troops went into the region, Durham went back. It was during this trip she learned that Rreci had lied. When confronted, she told Durham that she had actually thought her sister was dead, but wasn't sure, and that doctors in the hospital had encouraged her to tell the story because other girls had lost sisters to the Serbs.

"My first thoughts were 'This is a disaster,' " says Durham. "I had this passion for the people in the story. I felt really depressed. If this happens to me, I thought, and I go back again, and again, and again, how many other journalists has this happened to?" Durham returned to her home in Oxford, England, and thought about what she wanted to do. And although some media critics have said that the CBC pushed her to go back to do the report, Durham says this is untrue. She says she needed to go back, find Rajmonda Rreci again, and this time tell the true story.

It turned out that most of what the teenager had said wasn't true. She had actually been a member of the KLA before she went to the hospital and had known all along that her sister was alive. But Rreci continued to stress that other Kosovar girls had lost their sisters, and why shouldn't she do it for them? Ultimately, Rreci did admit that what she said was just KLA propaganda…


57 posted on 05/18/2008 3:27:17 PM PDT by joan
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