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But I keep coming back to the sound of all those shots being fired. The FOS arrives on the scene and immediately asks what has happened.

And R&C immediately said, we did it? Why not?

R&C's failure to verbally state directly to the supervisor that they had fired their guns wasn't right

And neither was their destruction of evidence. I'm glad we agree.

If the FOS was aware that shots had been fired (which I believe he was ) then it is incumbent upon him to inquire how the events transpired with this subordinates.

You bet. It's also incumbent on the shooters to explain what happened. Without trying to hide evidence.

67 posted on 05/16/2008 5:15:11 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers, union members and liberals so bad at math?)
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And neither was their destruction of evidence.

You keep using "their" and "Ramos and Compean( R&C)" when talking about destruction of evidence. Tell everyone what evidence Ramos destroyed or shutup about the "their" part in destruction of evidence if you want to be considered other than a liar.

Here is Kanof's description of the count Ramos was convicted on tampering with a proceeding. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%204.pdf page 17

And the -- I think it's Count 9 -- it's either Count
13 9 -- I think it's -- I'm pretty sure it's Count 9 -- charges
14 him with 1512(c)(2), which is a general catchall phrase of, you
15 know, obstructing justice.
16 And the -- you know. And it's -- basically, they
17 couldn't investigate anything, because he didn't report it.
18 They couldn't investigate the victim being shot. They couldn't
19 investigate Mr. Compean being assaulted. They couldn't
20 investigate the discharge of either of their firearms, because
21 of the failure to report it.

71 posted on 05/16/2008 5:34:09 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“You bet. It’s also incumbent on the shooters to explain what happened. Without trying to hide evidence.”

Ramos had been in a previous shooting (I am not sure if he fired a weapon in this prior incident). After the shooting he made a written report and was chastised for making the written report. The demand is only that a supervisor be informed that a shooting took place within 1 hour. There is no demand for who report it, only that someone at the scene inform a supervisor.

If you think about this, it does make sense. How often does a LEO or other official go to a situation, get involved in an exchange of gunfire and end up dead or unconscious? The answer is often enough that we do not send them to jail if they do not report the exchange within an hour.


95 posted on 05/16/2008 11:48:40 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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