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To: Colofornian
I am not trying to justify polygamy or tear it down but I am honest enough to know the twelve tribes were built by God and how it was done was never condemned by God since he ordained it.

I am not a polygamist or a Mormon and find the religion to be made up.

Condemnation from God doesn't seem to rest on many of Gods men in the Bible for common things we call sin. David was condemned once because he sent a man to die in battle so he could take his wife. God actually told David he would have given her to him if he would have asked.

The problem is Christians have gone from walking by faith in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus to going around trying to establish their own righteousness which is of the Law.

75 posted on 05/18/2008 6:03:15 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy
Condemnation from God doesn't seem to rest on many of Gods men in the Bible for common things we call sin.

Yes and no. An example of "no" is that part of King Solomon's kingdom was taken away & given to someone else upon his death. Why? Because his foreign wives had led his heart astray (1 Kings 11:3-4, 9-11). Had he already been warned in the Torah before he was even born to stay away from many wives, lest his heart would be "led astray." (Yup, see Deut. 17:17 and Lev. 18:18).

As for "yes," ya need to remember that when Jacob entered into polygamy, (1) it was NOT of his own doing; and (2) God had not even come down with the 10 commandments yet. The commandment on not committing adultery codified what God had already communicated to Adam & Eve--Gen. 2:23-25 about 2 people becoming one...not multiple people becoming one.

Illustration: Let's say you're a landowner with boundary issues of trespassers who are establishing permanent pathways you don't want on your land. You know that these trespassers should generally know what's your property even though nothing is marked. You are more likely to "prosecute" a trespasser if you have a SPECIFIC sign that says "No trespassing" with boundaries clearly marked. That's what the 10 commandments did. It wiped away all "excuses" for moral trespassing in the areas it covered. Your new signs as a landowner doesn't mean the trespassing is new if you suddenly started prosecuting for it. It just means those trespasses are more clearly identified, and the reader of the sign is without excuse.

I am honest enough to know the twelve tribes were built by God and how it was done was never condemned by God since he ordained it.

Please go back over post#85 about Jacob's family. Are you seriously trying to tell us that God overlooked the youngest brother (Joseph) being sold into poverty? Isn't the true story of Jacob's family was that what man intended for harm & evil, God worked it out for good (Gen. 50:20)?

Isn't the true story of his family that despite evil--
Reuben's adultery...
Judah's adultery with a family member...
revenge...deception...envy...jealousy...violence...
that the sovereign glory of God is displayed as He sprouts a Messiah to come forth from a sinful people to cover the sin of the Messiah's ancestors, the Messiah's people group, the gentites to be grafted into "the family?"

The problem is Christians have gone from walking by faith in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus to going around trying to establish their own righteousness which is of the Law.

Not at all. The problem is that too many Christians lower the perfect standard communicated by Jesus (Matthew 5:48)--and then, double the error by failing to realize that rather than lowering His standard, He has simply said, "Here, I am inserting the perfect righteousness of my son, Jesus, into your place because you can never attain it." (Paul says Jesus is our Righteousness in 1 Cor. 1:30).

Just because we communicate God's perfect standards, whether it be monogamy or His righteousness, doesn't mean we are trying to establish our own righteousness. The Law and the Gospel are necessary to proclaim; because for many, if they see no need for the gospel, the Law is what God uses to convict them on that need.

101 posted on 05/18/2008 7:25:22 AM PDT by Colofornian
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