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First-ever chimpanzee fossils found. Discovery raises questions about human evolution
MSNBC ^ | August 31,2005 | Bjorn Carey

Posted on 05/18/2008 8:47:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Finally, proof that the DEMORATS existed before Tammany Hall ....


21 posted on 05/18/2008 9:15:30 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Popman

The Religion of Darwinism is as dead as Hillary’s run for the presidency. It’s just that the choirs refuse to stop singing.


22 posted on 05/18/2008 9:31:01 AM PDT by fish hawk (Silence is often misinterpreted but never misquoted.)
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To: SeekAndFind
But now, with the discovery of ancient chimps and humans in the same area, evolutionists may have to rethink what caused humans to become humans.

As a firm believer in the Bible and man of faith, I believe the reason is patently obvious.

IMHO, one day evolution scientists will be led to the conclusion (as many have already come to) that intelligent design, ie. God, had His Hand in this.

23 posted on 05/18/2008 9:43:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s only a matter of time before we find that humans coexisted with the dino-saurs.


24 posted on 05/18/2008 9:45:03 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Jeff Head

Agreed!

I wonder if anyone has ever considered this?
Maybe all these ‘pre-humans’ were just Satan’s failed attempts to recreate what God had achieved with Adam and Eve? Hmmm...


25 posted on 05/18/2008 9:46:02 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: ml/nj
Don't we hear from other "scientists" that climates were so different even 10,000 years ago, and that there are mountains now were seas once were? How would they have any clue about "environments"?

10,000 years ago, North America was still in the last vestiges of the Ice Age, Woolly Mammoth, Mastodon, Saber Tooth Tigers, Giant Ground Sloth, the Short-Faced Bear, camels & etc lived on most of the land that wasn't ice covered. So yes, scientists agree climates were very different even 10,000 years ago. The only mountains that now exit where seas once were are volcanic. Few and far between at that.

If you like to learn something about how scientists work, get a book or go to night school. (I assume your formal education is behind you)

26 posted on 05/18/2008 9:48:38 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5JV0Fs_GE8


27 posted on 05/18/2008 9:53:58 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: webstersII
“We need to look for another reason for the evolutionary split.”

Uhm. . . maybe there wasn’t one.

Nah, that couldn’t be the reason. At least not for the true believers and apologists.

To the true believers in the Church of Evolution, there's never a reason to question the dogma, you just need to invent more epicycles.

28 posted on 05/18/2008 9:54:35 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: muleskinner
The only mountains that now exit where seas once were are volcanic. Few and far between at that.

Really? I guess you don't read much. Here's an excerpt from the beginning of an article posted at the NY Times site.

WHALE FOSSILS HIGH IN ANDES SHOW HOW MOUNTAINS ROSE FROM SEA
By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: March 12, 1987

Scientists have found fossils of whales and other marine animals in mountain sediments in the Andes, indicating that the South American mountain chain rose very rapidly from the sea.

Just use Google. It's easy!


If you like to learn something about how scientists work, get a book or go to night school. (I assume your formal education is behind you)

As for your snotty comment, you are the one who has a lot to learn. My degrees are in science from a school with a very high national reputation. I return from time to time to other schools with national reputations and engage professors there in subjects such as this we are considering here. As for books, I have a personal library that most people can only dream about, including I would assume yourself.

ML/NJ

29 posted on 05/18/2008 10:08:51 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: SeekAndFind

The new debate over this discovery is proof that evolutionary scientists are will to honestly reassess their understanding of our past when new evidence emerges. Sadly the same cannot be said of their detractors.


30 posted on 05/18/2008 10:09:37 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: RightWhale

>>We need to look for another reason for the evolutionary split.”
While there is room on the paper to draw another branch to the tree, that is reason enough.

How about because God said so.


31 posted on 05/18/2008 10:21:02 AM PDT by NTHockey
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To: NTHockey

What if he did. Or didn’t. What does it mean for the 7000 schools that collapsed in the China earthquake. Is it relevant to anything.


32 posted on 05/18/2008 10:29:20 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: Soliton
“This approach is especially powerful when we can reconstruct the biogeographical history of a ring species, as has been done in two cases.”

“Reconstruct” is evolutionist speak for “story telling,” but it sounds better to them.

Sorry, I don't by the theists stories, and I don't by the evolutionist doctrine, er... stories either.

One obvious reason is, they have to keep changing them.

Hank

33 posted on 05/18/2008 10:29:33 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Kleon
It’s only a matter of time before we find that humans coexisted with the dino-saurs.

Well that explains "Robert Bird"

34 posted on 05/18/2008 10:32:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ml/nj

One of those who is a legend in their own minds.... :)


35 posted on 05/18/2008 10:40:59 AM PDT by Concho (IRS--Americas real terrorist organization.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
To the true believers in the Church of Evolution, there's never a reason to question the dogma, you just need to invent more epicycles.

The theory of evolution has changed over time as new facts have emerged. The biggest, recently, in terms of human evolution has been the idea that Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon lived together but were separate branches of the tree rather than Cro-Magnon being the decedents of Neanderthal.

We have also come to believe that two legged dinosaurs did not drag their tails but used them for balancing and that they are more closely related to birds than we thought.

On a recent trip to Utah, I saw a recently excavated dinosaur with amazing preservation of skin and tendon. This find, and others in the area, will change our understanding of these animals.

Science is constantly changing as new evidence is discovered. Sometimes there are dead ends and sometimes science is politicized, as with the global warming nonsense. But evolution, as a theory to explain the diversity of species and changes in the fossil record, is not going away.

In the same way that Einstein refined our understanding of physics but did not replace it, new discoveries will refine our understanding of the past but not overturn it. To claim that a discovery, like the one in the article about chimps, should make us abandon all of evolutionary theory is nutty.

The idea that thousands upon thousands of scientists, for 200 years, including geologists, anthropologists, paleontologists, geneticists, biochemists, physicists, astronomers, zoologists and naturalists of all kinds, are engaged in some kind of giant delusion, conspiracy or hoax is delusional in itself and indicates a deep lack of understanding on how science works.

Calling evolution a religion or a hoax is hardly different than criticizing the President without offering an alternative. What is the alternative theory to evolution? Where is the evidence? ID and others are incomplete. ID depends on an "intelligence" to explain the fossil record. What's even the point of doing that. Why even have science when you can just explain every phenomenon by saying, "God did it?"

Of course God did it. So? In the past, devout Christians used science to understand and appreciate God buy seeking to understand the world around us. Do today's Christians want us to just forget all we know? I, and all the geologists and physicists think the earth is millions of years old. Bishop Usher thinks it's a few thousand years old. Should the rest of us just ignore the data for a million year old earth?

If you don't agree with the evolutionary theory there is a simple solution. Instead of taking ignorant and cheap shots from the sidelines, do your research (might require getting one or more Ph.D.s) provide your evidence, and if your ideas have any merit, you should be able to convince honest scientists that you are correct. Of course, you will be trying to prove the existence of God, and he may not appreciate that.

36 posted on 05/18/2008 10:41:05 AM PDT by freedom_forge
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To: freedom_forge

bttt


37 posted on 05/18/2008 10:45:27 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving an Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I read that bipedal fossil footprints were found in a lava flow that dated to 2.5 million years ago. The gate was checked showing one of the travelers was about 3.5 feet tall. The other footprints showed someone about 2.9 feet tall. I hope my memory is not that far off on the numbers, I'd say the women scientist is still clinging to Darwin and not common sense when she insists there was a split. Anyhow God could have started us off at any size he wanted to.
38 posted on 05/18/2008 10:58:18 AM PDT by machenation ("it can't happen here" Frank Zappa)
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To: G Larry

There are many examples of ring species.


39 posted on 05/18/2008 11:07:10 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: freedom_forge
On a recent trip to Utah, I saw a recently excavated dinosaur with amazing preservation of skin and tendon.

I assume that you are describing a fossil here.

Could you please explain how soft tissue becomes fossilized.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 05/18/2008 11:07:34 AM PDT by ml/nj
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