Skip to comments.Barack Obama – Muslim apostate?
Posted on 05/18/2008 5:08:36 PM PDT by givemELL
Stafford, Va. - Osama bin Laden must be chuckling in his safe house. After all, the 2008 campaign could very well give Al Qaeda the ultimate propaganda tool: President Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim apostate.
The fact that Senator Obama the son of a Muslim father insists he was never a Muslim before becoming Christian is irrelevant to bin Laden. In bin Laden's eyes, Obama is a murtad fitri, the worst type of apostate, because he was blessed by Allah to be born into the true faith of Islam.
There are two types of apostates according to sharia (Islamic law) and the Hadith (sayings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him).
The first type is murtad milli, one who converted to Islam and later renounced the faith. The second, and most egregious, type is murtad fitri. It refers to a person born of a Muslim father who renounces his birthright. Two recent examples of the latter are Magdi Allam (a male Egyptian who converted to Catholicism in Italy) and Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Somali-born woman who's now an atheist). Both now face death threats.
According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father even an apparently nonpracticing one, such as Obama's father, and irrespective of the mother's faith are automatically Muslims. Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period.
Should Obama become US commander in chief, there is a strong likelihood that Al Qaeda's media arm, As-Sahab, will exploit his background to argue that an apostate is leading the global war on terror (read: attacks against fellow Muslims). This perception would be leveraged to galvanize sympathizers into action.
Remember: Al Qaeda's ultimate goal...
(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...
It is stranger than fiction that a candidate so antithetical in his background and associations to the culture and traditions and governmental principles of the US should ever have been presented for candidacy. Both parties have been ignorant of the impact of Manchurian candidate on our country, and, this candidacy only raises the risk ante exponentially.
He’s a Mac Daddy according too this nut !
Only in America. Land of the Idiots, Home of the politically correct.
Which leaves me a bit perplexed....why does he get so much support from the muslim community when they usually attack someone like this who's proclaimed to be Christian. Maybe Obama's already winked at the Immam to let him know he doesn't take all that Jesus stuff tooooo seriously.
Wouldn’t Obama’s nomination put the lie to to the charge that America is the Great Satan if a Moslem can become a popular candidate for the presidency? I’m just saying.
Maybe he gets support because if they go against him and proclaim loudly that he is a Muslim, they know there’s no way he would win. By keeping quiet, now, they have a chance to get their man in the White House. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows he’s not Christian. He just lies about it because he wants to get elected.
Because He IS A MUSLIM.
See post 3 above.
If it's true that conservatives are liberals who've been mugged, then imagine President Obama getting a major punking from Osama, himself.
Obama is NOT apostate....
He is a SLEEPER !!
THAT is why he gets the “pass” from Islamic leaders...
Look no further...
View this and then come back and tell me you want Baraq Hussein Mohammed Obama for your president:
IMO, it’s the second coming of Adolf Hitler.
If he is not a Muslim, then about one billion people have a religious obligation to kill him. How is that going to bring about peace in the middle east?
If this is the case, wouldn’t he be a big target for a fatwah? (Don’t know if that’s the correct spelling). In our vernacular, a “hit”?
Al Qaeda is "waiting until he's taken the oath of office to begin branding him a traitor to the faith of his fathers."
"So it's not hard to imagine bin Laden praying that Obama wins this November."
Well, at least the author is the first (that I know of) that actually addresses the "no fatwa for Obama, the apostate of the worst kind."
That last sentence of the article..
I can see it now. Headline:
McCain poses as female Islamic expert?
McCain's CSMonitor article attacks me: Obama
Attacks obviously racial, demands UN investigation.
He had a private meeting with an iman in detroit the other day,Imam Hassan Qazwini
The iman claims they spoke of the presidential race, iraq and the The arab Israeli conflict.
At the end of the meeting, Qazwini said he gave Obama a copy of new book, "American Crescent," and invited Obama to visit his center.
If he is an apostate the discussion should have been his reconciliation or his death......Obama got a new book and a Invitation to visit, speaks for itself.
Political Correctness=Death Wish
Now, that is so obvious! Why didn't I think of that? And the mainstream media are in on it, too. Plain as day, I tell ya'. Even Hillary overlooked this. Wow!
Yes he would be. Generally the penalty is death by beheading & any Muslim has the right to carry it out. You spelled fatwah right :) A fatwah is any religious ruling, including death sentences.
Being a "popular candidate" isn't enough. He must be the nominee, or jihad!
Being a nominee isn't enough. He must be the President, or jihad!
Being a President isn't enough. He must act according to sharia, or jihad!
Are you sensing a pattern here?
Agree, maybe he is not as much an apostate as we would like to believe. After all, he listened to Rev. Wright for 20 plus years and the only difference in doctrine that I can detect between Islam and Rev. Wright one is in Arabic and the other is in English.
This is a quote from his book, “Audacity of Hope”:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
In other words, to Hell with Israel and the western world.
And, everybody KNOWS that Moslems are liars—they admit it. So, what is your point?
Yes, I am--to your hyperbole.
Sky is blue
water is wet
Americans are stupid
sun rises in east
Baraq Husyan ibn Mahomet is an apostate
Well, I guess Obomba has been outed. What a relief. Now we can all get together and help Hillary flush is a** down the toilet. Oh, that’s right, Old Sarge says we’re too stupid. Drat!
Obama is simply practicing the islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur’an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace, and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates. The word literally means to protect or guard against and conveys the principle that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventative measure to protect themselves and Islam, especially in life or liberty threatening circumstances. It is important that the Muslim does not mean it in his heart, however. The concept of Al-Takeyya is based on the following verse in the Quran:
Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah, except by way of prevention that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you to remember Himself for the final goal is to Allah. Surah 3:28
Further, the concept of Al Takeyya permits behavior of a Muslim that is contrary to his faith if pretending to befriend infidels, and may:
Skip fasting during the month of Ramadan
Renounce his belief in Allah
Pray to another diety in place of Allah
Lie under oath
One of Mohammeds daughters (Umm Kalthoum) stated that she never heard him condone or promote lying except under three specific situations:
To reconcile the people of Islam;
In times of war against the infidels;
To a spouse to keep harmony within a family.
They will celebrate; and claim Obama's heritage; as their victory. They know Obama's BLT Church shares their brotherhood of anti-America/anti-Israel hate.
So, anyone see this?:
(in brief.. .)
On May 14 Barack Obama held a private meeting at Macomb Community College with Hassan Qazwini. Qazwini is the leader of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn. Debbie Schlussel describes Qazwini as Hezbollah's most important imam and agent in America.
Obama's meeting with Qazwini came to light because of a brief report in the Detroit Free Press (with the photo above) deriving from Qazwini and his mosque. The Obama campaign has not itself posted any news account or press release regarding the meeting on its Obama News page. A Google News search on "Obama Qazwini" shows that news of the meeting has essentially remained a closely guarded secret.
[more at Powerlineblog.com and/or: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-meets-secretly-with.html]
Schussel mentions that Bush met with this Imam in 2000 and as well, invited him to 'faith based iniatives'. Of course, public invites. . .public gestures.
The secrecy of Obama, otoh. . .is, to use the Left's word of the weekend. . .'appalling'! Schlussel asks why "this open anti-Semite and supporter of Israel's annihilation" was afforded the privilege of discussing "the Arab-Israeli conflict" in a private one-on-one meeting with Obama. Perhaps they were discussing what Obama referred to as the "legitimate claims" of Hamas and Hezbollah in his chat with David Brooks.
Qazwini is very open about his support for Palestinian homicide bombings, HAMAS, and Hezbollah. And he's a good friend of Hezbollah spiritual leader, Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah--the man who issued the fatwa to Hezbollah terrorists to murder over 300 U.S. Marines and U.S. Embassy civilians in cold blood. Qazwini's mosque has held rallies and celebrations in support of Hezbollah, and many of Hezbollah's biggest money-launderers and agents in America are his congregants.
When I went undercover to his mosque in 1998, he and others welcomed Nation of Islam chief racist Louis Farrakhan as "our dear brother" and "a freedom fighter." Qazwini applauded Farrakhan's anti-Semitic statements saying that Jews were the "forces of Satan" and that there needed to be a "jihad" on the American people.
As to Bush's commitment to PC and 'outreach' can only offer that it 'was 'in the year '2000'. . .that Bush made a bad decisishon. . .and your great, great, great grandaughter is not fine. . .not very fine.'
Oh well, it was NOT a PRIVATE meeting. It was public invitations! (and am verry tired!)
That said. . .Obama needs to be accountable here and he must 'EXPLAIN THIS!
Yeah, that guy is some kind of nut but he is not half as nutty as the fools who think Obama would be a great President for this country. That nut refers to Obama, Hillary and Jeremiah Wright as,”The Trinity From Hell”. He can’t be all bad!
Obama is a nightmare as well as those around him are.......all trash.
“Because He IS A MUSLIM.”
ssshhhhhhh it’s a secret.
“He is a SLEEPER!! THAT is why he gets the pass from Islamic leaders...Look no further...”
This is a Conspiracy to put a Crypto-Muslim at the Head of the American Government. Is Hillary part of the conspiracy? Is Bill? How about John McCain? It is possible they are all part of the plan.
The answer is to make sure Obama never becomes president. If he does, he will begin the Muslimication of America. After 8 years we will be living under Sharia Law, Christianity will be illegal, and our wives and sisters and friends will be slaves in Muslim harems.
Even if Hillary or McCain are part of the conspiracy, electing one of them may delay the start of their sinister plan long enough that we can find a Real Patriot to run in 2012. I hope so, because if Obama is elected, it’s all over.
Remember if you will, Obama was assigned a secret service security detail in Feb. of 2007. long before any other candidate was.Obama realizes that there are a whole bunch of Somalis, Kenyans ( Swahili) and assorted Shiites who would love to kidnap him, or off him on the spot.
Obama sure would be a hell of a president ( Sarc. off.).
To date - there are far more instances of Obama insulting Americans, our laws, our culture, our history, our flag and our history -—— than he has spoken out against the enemies of this Republic...
Obama is impossible to trust...and to date has given NO JUSTIFICATION to trust...
His platitudes about change and hope do not encourage me — but they obviously are encouraging our Islamist enemies...
Obama is clearly the enemy within......
It is very discouraging to see how many “Americans” are foolish enough to drink his Kool-Aid....
That’s strange Misterioso seems to be missing.
“Read the whole thing...it is daunting”
Very! Thank you for posting this article.
Is it possible that he is so stupid (or vainglorious) that he thinks he is immune to such a threat? Or is he a part of some grand plan to be in office just long enough to sell us down the river and then he would “renounce” Christianity and resume his Muslim roots?
Or am I just totally out in left field?
This get more scary with each passing day.
And nobody sees it.
It’s too late. Us anti-Moslems better shut up now because we’re going to be toast when Obomba is elected. When that Koran hits my doorknob I might have a decision to make. :)
“Or is he a part of some grand plan to be in office just long enough to sell us down the river and then he would renounce Christianity and resume his Muslim roots?”
Yes, I believe what we are seeing now is a grand conspiracy to put the Government of the United States into the hands of Crypto-Muslim, with the aim of turning America into an Islamic republic.
With the expanded powers a wartime president possesses, Obama will be impossible to stop once he is sworn in. With recent changes in the Posse Comitatus Act, as Commander in Chief, President Obama will be able to use the military inside the US to carry out his plan.
If he is in office for 8 years (and given his powers he will be able to ensure reelection), he will have enough time to put the US under Sharia Law, outlaw Christianity, arrest all Jews, and begin inducting the more attractive women and girls of our society into their Islamic harems.
With America’s great military and economic power, Europe will be Islamicized next. They may be stopped by Russia and China, at least temporarily. But no one knows how this will end. If there is WWIII, it may end up with the survivors forced to accept Islam.
He is the MANCHURIAN CANIDATE. HE IS THE SLEEPER
Seems I read that Obambi’s Christian baptismal records are not to be found. That along with a rumour that there are several muslims in his Black Liberation church should be looked into I would think.