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Barack Obama Muslim apostate?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | May 19, 2008 | Shireen K. Burki

Posted on 05/18/2008 5:08:36 PM PDT by givemELL

Stafford, Va. - Osama bin Laden must be chuckling in his safe house. After all, the 2008 campaign could very well give Al Qaeda the ultimate propaganda tool: President Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim apostate.

The fact that Senator Obama – the son of a Muslim father – insists he was never a Muslim before becoming Christian is irrelevant to bin Laden. In bin Laden's eyes, Obama is a murtad fitri, the worst type of apostate, because he was blessed by Allah to be born into the true faith of Islam.

There are two types of apostates according to sharia (Islamic law) and the Hadith (sayings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him).

The first type is murtad milli, one who converted to Islam and later renounced the faith. The second, and most egregious, type is murtad fitri. It refers to a person born of a Muslim father who renounces his birthright. Two recent examples of the latter are Magdi Allam (a male Egyptian who converted to Catholicism in Italy) and Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Somali-born woman who's now an atheist). Both now face death threats.

According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father – even an apparently nonpracticing one, such as Obama's father, and irrespective of the mother's faith – are automatically Muslims. Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period.

Should Obama become US commander in chief, there is a strong likelihood that Al Qaeda's media arm, As-Sahab, will exploit his background to argue that an apostate is leading the global war on terror (read: attacks against fellow Muslims). This perception would be leveraged to galvanize sympathizers into action.

Remember: Al Qaeda's ultimate goal...

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; apostate; foreignpolicy; husseinobama; islam; obama; obamafamily; obamatruthfile
Read the whole thing...it is daunting. This complements Luttwaks' piece in the NYT...http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.htm l?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

It is stranger than fiction that a candidate so antithetical in his background and associations to the culture and traditions and governmental principles of the US should ever have been presented for candidacy. Both parties have been ignorant of the impact of Manchurian candidate on our country, and, this candidacy only raises the risk ante exponentially.

1 posted on 05/18/2008 5:08:36 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: givemELL

He’s a Mac Daddy according too this nut !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU


2 posted on 05/18/2008 5:11:57 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: givemELL

No kidding!

Only in America. Land of the Idiots, Home of the politically correct.


3 posted on 05/18/2008 5:15:11 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: givemELL
According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father – even an apparently nonpracticing one, such as Obama's father, and irrespective of the mother's faith – are automatically Muslims. Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period.

Which leaves me a bit perplexed....why does he get so much support from the muslim community when they usually attack someone like this who's proclaimed to be Christian. Maybe Obama's already winked at the Immam to let him know he doesn't take all that Jesus stuff tooooo seriously.

4 posted on 05/18/2008 5:17:04 PM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: givemELL

Wouldn’t Obama’s nomination put the lie to to the charge that America is the Great Satan if a Moslem can become a popular candidate for the presidency? I’m just saying.


5 posted on 05/18/2008 5:19:16 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Taggart_D

Maybe he gets support because if they go against him and proclaim loudly that he is a Muslim, they know there’s no way he would win. By keeping quiet, now, they have a chance to get their man in the White House. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows he’s not Christian. He just lies about it because he wants to get elected.


6 posted on 05/18/2008 5:20:38 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Taggart_D
....why does he get so much support from the muslim community when they usually attack someone like this who's proclaimed to be Christian.

Because He IS A MUSLIM.

7 posted on 05/18/2008 5:20:43 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Misterioso

See post 3 above.


8 posted on 05/18/2008 5:21:58 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: givemELL
Fascinating speculation.

If it's true that conservatives are liberals who've been mugged, then imagine President Obama getting a major punking from Osama, himself.

9 posted on 05/18/2008 5:22:29 PM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: givemELL

Obama is NOT apostate....

He is a SLEEPER !!

THAT is why he gets the “pass” from Islamic leaders...

Look no further...


10 posted on 05/18/2008 5:22:40 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: All

View this and then come back and tell me you want Baraq Hussein Mohammed Obama for your president:

http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/


11 posted on 05/18/2008 5:23:24 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: Minutemen

IMO, it’s the second coming of Adolf Hitler.


12 posted on 05/18/2008 5:26:09 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: givemELL

If he is not a Muslim, then about one billion people have a religious obligation to kill him. How is that going to bring about peace in the middle east?


13 posted on 05/18/2008 5:27:19 PM PDT by yawningotter
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To: givemELL

If this is the case, wouldn’t he be a big target for a fatwah? (Don’t know if that’s the correct spelling). In our vernacular, a “hit”?

Just wondering.


14 posted on 05/18/2008 5:27:49 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: givemELL
So why is Obama being given a pass? Does one have to be both born a Muslim and leave and then be elected president of the U.S. to be a murtad fitri?

Al Qaeda is "waiting until he's taken the oath of office to begin branding him a traitor to the faith of his fathers."

"So it's not hard to imagine bin Laden praying that Obama wins this November."

Well, at least the author is the first (that I know of) that actually addresses the "no fatwa for Obama, the apostate of the worst kind."

That last sentence of the article..

I can see it now. Headline:

McCain poses as female Islamic expert?
McCain's CSMonitor article attacks me: Obama
Attacks obviously racial, demands UN investigation.

15 posted on 05/18/2008 5:28:42 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Taggart_D
Maybe Obama's already winked at the Immam to let him know he doesn't take all that Jesus stuff tooooo seriously.

He had a private meeting with an iman in detroit the other day,Imam Hassan Qazwini

The iman claims they spoke of the presidential race, iraq and the The arab Israeli conflict.

At the end of the meeting, Qazwini said he gave Obama a copy of new book, "American Crescent," and invited Obama to visit his center.

If he is an apostate the discussion should have been his reconciliation or his death......Obama got a new book and a Invitation to visit, speaks for itself.

16 posted on 05/18/2008 5:29:00 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Kakaze

Political Correctness=Death Wish


17 posted on 05/18/2008 5:33:55 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: RachelFaith
He is a SLEEPER!! THAT is why he gets the “pass” from Islamic leaders...Look no further...

Now, that is so obvious! Why didn't I think of that? And the mainstream media are in on it, too. Plain as day, I tell ya'. Even Hillary overlooked this. Wow!

18 posted on 05/18/2008 5:35:15 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: wayoverthehill

Yes he would be. Generally the penalty is death by beheading & any Muslim has the right to carry it out. You spelled fatwah right :) A fatwah is any religious ruling, including death sentences.


19 posted on 05/18/2008 5:40:52 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: Misterioso
Wouldn’t Obama’s nomination put the lie to to the charge that America is the Great Satan if a Moslem can become a popular candidate for the presidency? I’m just saying.

Being a "popular candidate" isn't enough. He must be the nominee, or jihad!

Being a nominee isn't enough. He must be the President, or jihad!

Being a President isn't enough. He must act according to sharia, or jihad!

Are you sensing a pattern here?

20 posted on 05/18/2008 5:41:17 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: RachelFaith

Agree, maybe he is not as much an apostate as we would like to believe. After all, he listened to Rev. Wright for 20 plus years and the only difference in doctrine that I can detect between Islam and Rev. Wright … one is in Arabic and the other is in English.


21 posted on 05/18/2008 5:43:10 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Misterioso
And Muslims believe that it's ok to lie to infidels. He SAYS he's not Muslim...
22 posted on 05/18/2008 5:46:24 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: givemELL

This is a quote from his book, “Audacity of Hope”:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

In other words, to Hell with Israel and the western world.


23 posted on 05/18/2008 5:48:51 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: bannie

And, everybody KNOWS that Moslems are liars—they admit it. So, what is your point?


24 posted on 05/18/2008 5:56:58 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Izzy Dunne
Are you sensing a pattern here?

Yes, I am--to your hyperbole.

25 posted on 05/18/2008 5:59:17 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso
er...that saying he's Christian doesn't mean that he is Christian...


26 posted on 05/18/2008 6:00:37 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: givemELL

Sky is blue
water is wet
Americans are stupid
sun rises in east
Baraq Husyan ibn Mahomet is an apostate


27 posted on 05/18/2008 6:01:22 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: bannie

Oh.


28 posted on 05/18/2008 6:03:09 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Old Sarge

Well, I guess Obomba has been outed. What a relief. Now we can all get together and help Hillary flush is a** down the toilet. Oh, that’s right, Old Sarge says we’re too stupid. Drat!


29 posted on 05/18/2008 6:07:37 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: wayoverthehill

yep


30 posted on 05/18/2008 6:07:51 PM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: givemELL

Obama is simply practicing the islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur’an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace, and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates. The word literally means to protect or guard against and conveys the principle that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventative measure to protect themselves and Islam, especially in life or liberty threatening circumstances. It is important that the Muslim does not mean it in his heart, however. The concept of Al-Takeyya is based on the following verse in the Qu’ran:

Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah, except by way of prevention that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you to remember Himself for the final goal is to Allah. Surah 3:28

Further, the concept of Al Takeyya permits behavior of a Muslim that is contrary to his faith if pretending to befriend infidels, and may:

Consume alcohol
Skip prayers
Skip fasting during the month of Ramadan
Renounce his belief in Allah
Pray to another diety in place of Allah
Lie under oath

The Hadith
One of Mohammed’s daughters (Umm Kalthoum) stated that she never heard him condone or promote lying except under three specific situations:

To reconcile the people of Islam;
In times of war against the infidels;
To a spouse to keep harmony within a family.

Good Sources:

http://islamcommentaries.com/index.htm

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml


31 posted on 05/18/2008 6:08:51 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Taggart_D; All
Because they share 'core values'. They will deal with the details - later. No matter his standing - as of now - this would be seen as a huge victory by every Radical Muslim. . .

They will celebrate; and claim Obama's heritage; as their victory. They know Obama's BLT Church shares their brotherhood of anti-America/anti-Israel hate.

So, anyone see this?:

(in brief.. .)

On May 14 Barack Obama held a private meeting at Macomb Community College with Hassan Qazwini. Qazwini is the leader of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn. Debbie Schlussel describes Qazwini as Hezbollah's most important imam and agent in America.

Obama's meeting with Qazwini came to light because of a brief report in the Detroit Free Press (with the photo above) deriving from Qazwini and his mosque. The Obama campaign has not itself posted any news account or press release regarding the meeting on its Obama News page. A Google News search on "Obama Qazwini" shows that news of the meeting has essentially remained a closely guarded secret.

[more at Powerlineblog.com and/or: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-meets-secretly-with.html]

Schussel mentions that Bush met with this Imam in 2000 and as well, invited him to 'faith based iniatives'. Of course, public invites. . .public gestures.

The secrecy of Obama, otoh. . .is, to use the Left's word of the weekend. . .'appalling'! Schlussel asks why "this open anti-Semite and supporter of Israel's annihilation" was afforded the privilege of discussing "the Arab-Israeli conflict" in a private one-on-one meeting with Obama. Perhaps they were discussing what Obama referred to as the "legitimate claims" of Hamas and Hezbollah in his chat with David Brooks.

Qazwini is very open about his support for Palestinian homicide bombings, HAMAS, and Hezbollah. And he's a good friend of Hezbollah spiritual leader, Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah--the man who issued the fatwa to Hezbollah terrorists to murder over 300 U.S. Marines and U.S. Embassy civilians in cold blood. Qazwini's mosque has held rallies and celebrations in support of Hezbollah, and many of Hezbollah's biggest money-launderers and agents in America are his congregants.

When I went undercover to his mosque in 1998, he and others welcomed Nation of Islam chief racist Louis Farrakhan as "our dear brother" and "a freedom fighter." Qazwini applauded Farrakhan's anti-Semitic statements saying that Jews were the "forces of Satan" and that there needed to be a "jihad" on the American people.

As to Bush's commitment to PC and 'outreach' can only offer that it 'was 'in the year '2000'. . .that Bush made a bad decisishon. . .and your great, great, great grandaughter is not fine. . .not very fine.'

Oh well, it was NOT a PRIVATE meeting. It was public invitations! (and am verry tired!)

That said. . .Obama needs to be accountable here and he must 'EXPLAIN THIS!

32 posted on 05/18/2008 6:20:21 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: Squantos

Yeah, that guy is some kind of nut but he is not half as nutty as the fools who think Obama would be a great President for this country. That nut refers to Obama, Hillary and Jeremiah Wright as,”The Trinity From Hell”. He can’t be all bad!


33 posted on 05/18/2008 6:20:40 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: RipSawyer

Obama is a nightmare as well as those around him are.......all trash.


34 posted on 05/18/2008 6:23:20 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Minutemen

“Because He IS A MUSLIM.”

ssshhhhhhh it’s a secret.


35 posted on 05/18/2008 6:33:29 PM PDT by stockpirate (Purge the RNC and GOP of ALL SOCIALISTS . Starting with Juan McCain.)
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To: Misterioso

“He is a SLEEPER!! THAT is why he gets the “pass” from Islamic leaders...Look no further...”

This is a Conspiracy to put a Crypto-Muslim at the Head of the American Government. Is Hillary part of the conspiracy? Is Bill? How about John McCain? It is possible they are all part of the plan.

The answer is to make sure Obama never becomes president. If he does, he will begin the Muslimication of America. After 8 years we will be living under Sharia Law, Christianity will be illegal, and our wives and sisters and friends will be slaves in Muslim harems.

Even if Hillary or McCain are part of the conspiracy, electing one of them may delay the start of their sinister plan long enough that we can find a Real Patriot to run in 2012. I hope so, because if Obama is elected, it’s all over.


36 posted on 05/18/2008 6:52:51 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: givemELL
Something tells me that Obama will not likely survive the fatwa against him, likely already issued in secret.

Remember if you will, Obama was assigned a secret service security detail in Feb. of 2007. long before any other candidate was.Obama realizes that there are a whole bunch of Somalis, Kenyans ( Swahili) and assorted Shiites who would love to kidnap him, or off him on the spot.

Obama sure would be a hell of a president ( Sarc. off.).

37 posted on 05/18/2008 6:59:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: stockpirate

To date - there are far more instances of Obama insulting Americans, our laws, our culture, our history, our flag and our history -—— than he has spoken out against the enemies of this Republic...

Obama is impossible to trust...and to date has given NO JUSTIFICATION to trust...

His platitudes about change and hope do not encourage me — but they obviously are encouraging our Islamist enemies...

Obama is clearly the enemy within......

It is very discouraging to see how many “Americans” are foolish enough to drink his Kool-Aid....


38 posted on 05/18/2008 7:02:12 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: givemELL
It's about time someone noticed this. It doesn't matter if Obama never considered himself a practicing Muslim and always considered himself a Christian in parts of the world.
39 posted on 05/18/2008 7:18:23 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: givemELL
I've had my tagline for quite some time but few have noticed.
40 posted on 05/18/2008 7:25:47 PM PDT by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: FFranco

That’s strange Misterioso seems to be missing.


41 posted on 05/18/2008 7:40:08 PM PDT by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: givemELL

“Read the whole thing...it is daunting”

Very! Thank you for posting this article.


42 posted on 05/18/2008 8:39:56 PM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: forkinsocket

Is it possible that he is so stupid (or vainglorious) that he thinks he is immune to such a threat? Or is he a part of some grand plan to be in office just long enough to sell us down the river and then he would “renounce” Christianity and resume his Muslim roots?

Or am I just totally out in left field?

This get more scary with each passing day.

And nobody sees it.


43 posted on 05/18/2008 8:59:01 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: FFranco

It’s too late. Us anti-Moslems better shut up now because we’re going to be toast when Obomba is elected. When that Koran hits my doorknob I might have a decision to make. :)


44 posted on 05/18/2008 10:13:55 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: fella

Still here.


45 posted on 05/18/2008 10:24:54 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: wayoverthehill

“Or is he a part of some grand plan to be in office just long enough to sell us down the river and then he would “renounce” Christianity and resume his Muslim roots?”

Yes, I believe what we are seeing now is a grand conspiracy to put the Government of the United States into the hands of Crypto-Muslim, with the aim of turning America into an Islamic republic.

With the expanded powers a wartime president possesses, Obama will be impossible to stop once he is sworn in. With recent changes in the Posse Comitatus Act, as Commander in Chief, President Obama will be able to use the military inside the US to carry out his plan.

If he is in office for 8 years (and given his powers he will be able to ensure reelection), he will have enough time to put the US under Sharia Law, outlaw Christianity, arrest all Jews, and begin inducting the more attractive women and girls of our society into their Islamic harems.

With America’s great military and economic power, Europe will be Islamicized next. They may be stopped by Russia and China, at least temporarily. But no one knows how this will end. If there is WWIII, it may end up with the survivors forced to accept Islam.


46 posted on 05/18/2008 10:33:31 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Taggart_D
Let's not forget the islamic code. Namely “It's OK to lie, cheat, steal, and be unfaithful if the end is to destroy enemies to “allah”. so, is obama REALLY a Christian? I'm not convinced. but then, maybe I'm not a prophet.
47 posted on 05/19/2008 10:15:33 AM PDT by vocalpatriot
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To: vocalpatriot

He is the MANCHURIAN CANIDATE. HE IS THE SLEEPER


48 posted on 05/19/2008 10:27:46 AM PDT by ncfool (Savage said that Islam is a Peaceful religion. Your very peaceful after they slit your throat!)
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BTTT


49 posted on 05/19/2008 1:16:05 PM PDT by 300magnum (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. D.Webster)
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To: givemELL

Seems I read that Obambi’s Christian baptismal records are not to be found. That along with a rumour that there are several muslims in his Black Liberation church should be looked into I would think.


50 posted on 05/19/2008 1:49:27 PM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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