Discrimination against British soldiers in uniform to become a criminal offence (U.K.)

The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | May 19, 2008 | MATTHEW HICKLEY

[Stoat]

Discrimination against British soldiers in uniform to become a criminal offence

by MATTHEW HICKLEY - More by this author » Last updated at 16:35pm on 19th May 2008

New laws will make it a criminal offence to discriminate against Britain's soldiers, sailors and airmen wearing uniform in public, under Government proposals outlined yesterday.

Courts will also hand out tougher punishments to anyone who assaults or threatens a serviceman wearing the Queen's uniform - which will become an 'aggravating factor' during sentencing.

Other measures designed to boost recognition and respect for the UK armed forces include a drive to encourage thousands more school pupils to train as military cadets, and teaching youngsters about the role and work of the military as a compulsory part of the National Curriculum.

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Honour: British troops could be rembembered on a special Bank Holiday in a bid to improve how they are viewed by the public

 

The Government confirmed that a new National Armed Forces and Veterans Day will be introduced from next year, in late June, although ministers are still weighing up whether it should be a new Bank Holiday, along with more homecoming parades for units returning from war.

And all servicemen and women will be encouraged to wear military uniform in public wherever possible, to boost the visibility of Britain's rapidly-shrinking forces.

The study into National Recognition of our Armed Forces was carried out by former Conservative MP Quentin Davies at Gordon Brown's request, amid growing concern over the lack of public understanding or support for the military after years of controversial wars abroad.

(4) Last year the head of the Army General Sir Richard Dannatt warned that a lack of public appreciation risked 'sapping' the willingness of troops to serve in dangerous warzones abroad.

 

Opposition MPs broadly welcomed yesterday's proposals but claimed they would 'ring hollow' for many personnel who suffer from the lack of funding for the military, often having to live in sub-standard housing.

The report cites examples of negative attitudes to troops in uniform, including a security assistant at Harrods in London barring an Army officer wearing service dress after a Remembrance Day ceremony.

Harrods insisted it would still exclude servicemen or women wearing 'fatigues' - the combat clothing which most wear for everyday work - a rule which the report condemns as 'quite unacceptable.'

Other examples include troops returning from fighting in Afghanistan being told to change into civilian clothes before passing through Birmingham Airport, and being kept away from public areas of Edinburgh Airport.

In Peterborough, RAF personnel were banned from wearing uniform in town after incidents of verbal abuse.

This 'contrasts sharply' with American and Canada 'where members of the public greet returning troops warmly and appreciatively.'

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Senior figures in the Armed Forces fear the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have harmed the Armed Forces' reputation at home

 

The report calls for legislation making it an offence for public services or private companies to discriminate against anyone in military uniform - putting such treatment on a legal par with racial or sexual discrimination.

Armed Forces Minister Bob Ainsworth said such cases were rare, but were 'totally and utterly unacceptable', and details of the new laws were being discussed.

The package will also push for a major expansion in cadet organisations.

Currently around one in 50 schoolchildren are part of cadet groups - 130,000 in all - either in the Combined Cadet Force in schools or in the Sea Cadets, Army Cadet Force or Air Training Corps outside.

Only around 260 out of 6,400 secondary schools have CCF units - almost all in Grammar or private schools - and ministers want to 'do everything possible to encourage more Comprehensive Schools and City Academies to join up.'

The report claims the social benefits for young cadets of 'team effort, purposeful endeavour and meeting physical challenges' go far beyond military training, and cites figures showing that while one in 19 boys aged 15 to 17 were charged, cautioned or warned for a criminal offence in 2004, among cadets of the same age the figure was just one in 625.

The move is likely to be controversial, however, particularly as young cadets receive weapons training.

Last month the National Union of Teachers was criticised when members voted to ban the military from recruiting in schools.

Yesterday the NUT's acting general secretary Christine Blower claimed youngsters 'with limited job prospects are being targeted for careers in the military', and called for 'a protocol' to set limits to the MOD's involvement in schools.

Liberal Democrat defence spokesman Nick Harvey said: 'Many of these proposals are good common sense and should be welcomed.

'But we must never let pageantry obscure the hard facts about the way the current Government treats our Armed Forces.

'An Armed Forces Day is welcome, but it will ring hollow for those forces families who still have to put up with sub-standard housing.'

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Also:

New uniform offence and Bank Holiday to celebrate Armed Forces - Times Online

May 19, 2008
 

 

New uniform offence and Bank Holiday to celebrate Armed Forces

 

(Dominic Lipinski)

Personnel from RAF Wittering, near Peterborough, were told not to walk the local streets in uniform

 

Michael Evans, Defence Editor

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A special Bank Holiday is being considered by the Government to honour and celebrate the work of the Royal Navy, Army and RAF, as part of a new drive to draw the military and the public closer together.

To encourage members of the Armed Forces to wear their uniforms in public as often as possible, legislation is also to be introduced to make it a criminal offence to discriminate against military personnel in Service dress or combat fatigues.

Anyone who physically attacks a serviceman or servicewoman in uniform will also be charged with an “aggravated offence” to underline the extra seriousness now being attached to the well-being and security of Armed Forces personnel when in the public eye.

The new developments appear as recommendations in an official report called National Recognition of our Armed Forces, drawn up by Quentin Davies, the MP and former Tory shadow defence minister who switched to Labour in June last year. He was asked by Gordon Brown to investigate ways of improving the relationship between the military and the civilian public.

 

Mr Davies said the creation of a special Armed Forces Day, which he envisaged could be merged into the existing Veterans’ Day, would not detract from the significance of the annual Remembrance Sunday. He said this would remain a “precious national institution”.

In his report, he said that if the Government decided to create another public holiday in honour of the military, he believed it should be set on a Friday or Monday at the end of June.

If not a Bank Holiday, then it should be a Saturday so that schoolchildren and most working adults would be available to attend events, Mr Davies said. Senior military figures have already expressed support for a national day of celebration for the Forces.

Among his 40 recommendations published yesterday, Mr Davies suggested that lessons on the role of the Armed Forces in society should be inserted into the national curriculum, and he urged the setting up of more Combined Cadet Corps in schools.

It also recommended more visits to schools by representatives of the Armed Forces, although not for recruiting purposes.

Of the 6,400 secondary schools in the United Kingdom, only 260 have CCF units and most of them are in grammar and independent schools.

Ed Balls, the Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families, reacted positively to these two recommendations. “I believe Combined Cadet Forces can make a huge difference to the young people who join them, and it’s also important for them to understand the diverse role of the Armed Forces,” he said.

The report also proposed launching a modern equivalent of the Royal Tournament, which was scrapped because of the cost and pressure on Service personnel. Mr Davies said it would not be practicable to revive the Royal Tournament itself, but suggested a possible link up with television journalists and other interested parties, such as Ross Kemp and Jeremy Clarkson.

Bob Ainsworth, the Armed Forces Minister, confirmed that the Government accepted all the recommendations, including the call for new legislation to criminalise discrimination against military personnel wearing uniforms in public.

In a foreword to the report, the Prime Minister said he believed the public was fully behind the men and women of the Armed Forces, but he felt there was a need for greater understanding of “the work they do in our name”.

Mr Davies also said that the military and public had drifted apart in recent years, claiming that society had become more “individualistic, hedonistic and materialistic”, compared with the values of self-sacrifice shown by the Armed Forces.

It was also accepted, he said, that the unpopularity of the Iraq War had had an impact on public opinion, although he emphasised that the Armed Forces were loyally carrying out the orders of the politicians.

 

 

Mr Davies condemned recent incidents where Service personnel had been picked on by members of the public.

His report highlighted incidents at Birmingham and Edinburgh airports last year when soldiers and Royal Marines returning from duty in Afghanistan were either told to put on civilian clothes before going through the terminal or were diverted to keep them out of the public eye.

In his report Mr Davies also referred to the policy adopted by Harrods, the Knightsbridge department story, of banning military personnel wearing combat fatigues.

Harrods confirmed to Mr Davies and his inquiry team during their 17-month investigation that it excluded personnel in fatigues. “We regard any such rule as quite unacceptable,” Mr Davies said.

Harrods, however, made it clear it did not ban military personnel who wore their Service uniforms. An incident in November 2006 when a Harrods security assistant prevented an army officer from entering the store wearing Service dress after a Remembrance Day ceremony had been a mistake, the department store said.

The report called for a much wider use of uniforms in public, reversing a policy which has been in existence ever since the IRA threat of the 1970s and 1980s, although Service personnel are already allowed to wear uniforms to travel to work and to attend functions. Mr Davies said he wanted the military to be “encouraged” to wear their uniform in public as often as possible, although he accepted it would not be right to do so “in night clubs or on the beach”.

His report also called for a more systematic approach to homecoming parades. These have increased since General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the Army, appealed last year to local authorities to organise more parades for Service personnel returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. But Mr Davies said regional commanders should approach local authorities to hold such parades.

Other recommendations included allowing senior officers from all three Armed Forces to have access to the media without having to get permission from the MoD.

[Stoat]

Harrods insisted it would still exclude servicemen or women wearing 'fatigues' - the combat clothing which most wear for everyday work - a rule which the report condemns as 'quite unacceptable.'

Other examples include troops returning from fighting in Afghanistan being told to change into civilian clothes before passing through Birmingham Airport, and being kept away from public areas of Edinburgh Airport.

Home Page - Harrods

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[SoldierDad]

Meanwhile, Code Pink and other anti-miltary groups in the U.S. enjoy local governmental and media support for their mistreatment of U.S. service personnel.

[massgopguy]

“I walks into a public ‘ouse to get myself a beer. The publican he up and says we serve no Redcoats here”

[ElkGroveDan]

Courts will also hand out tougher punishments to anyone who assaults or threatens a serviceman wearing the Queen's uniform

How a soldier can fit in her uniform, I'll never know.

[weegee]

Dodi al Fayed was heir to the billion-dollar Harrods fortune.

[steve-b]

Harrods insisted it would still exclude servicemen or women wearing 'fatigues' - the combat clothing which most wear for everyday work - a rule which the report condemns as 'quite unacceptable.'

I assume this "Harrods" is an upscale establishment. If so, they should certainly insist on dress uniforms, not fatigues.

[Natural Law]

TOMMY
by Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

I went into a public-’ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:
O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-’alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
But it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide,
The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
O it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide.

Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul?”
But it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind”,
But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind,
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind.

You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!

[DuncanWaring]

For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;

[JZelle]

What if the offender is Iranian?

[AlaskaErik]

It’s a sad day when it becomes necessary for a law like this to be enacted. I served for almost 32 years and I cannot recall any instance where I was ever discriminated against or subjected to negative comments while in uniform. Hopefully a law like this will never be needed in the US.

[Bigg Red]

Pretty sad that they have to make a law to force the public to respect their military. That said, I would like to see a profile of the typical insulter in these cases. Could it be those “youths”, I wonder.

[Stoat]

What if the offender is Iranian?

Hopefully the offender will not be given special consideration as a result of his religion.....

Great Britain Muslim is spared a speeding ban so he can drive between his two wives

[Proud_USA_Republican]

The UK is currently paralyzed by political correctness, multiculturism, and climate change hysteria. The liberals and the MSM there have fostered a culture of guilt over Britian’s history of colonialism and have applied it their involvment in the Afganistan and Iraq wars. People are meant to feel guilty for their simple existence. I hope the new conservative leadership in the UK will try to get their citizens to be more proud of who they are, but I don’t hold out much hope.

[Proud_USA_Republican]

Harrods is a frickin department store, just like Macys or Nordstrom. I see no problem with a person in military fatigues walking in to do some shopping.

[manc]

two words

about time.

[Mercia]

I fully support the idea. Top idea what?!!!!

I have in no way been influenced by the idea of a nice bank holiday added to our calendar...

Ahem...

[Mercia]

If it means we get a genuine bank holiday then there aren’t going to be many complaining thats for sure. Its either celebrate our Armed Forces (who are doing a good job in all theatres) while drinking a nice vino in the park, watching the parades go by, OR...

Sit mutely in our offices, bored silly but content that we dont have to spend what any more time that is needed having fun...

[SandRat]

[jabbermog]

Out shopping a few weeks back .

Some bloke in one of those checked ‘Yassar Arfat’ things on his head, giving out leaflets . When I say I am proud of my country , he goes ‘If you love western civilisation so much why dont you f*** off and live in America ?’ I reply ‘If you hate your own society so much then why dont you f*** off to some fly blown muzzo sand pit ?’

I just got back to my car and put the shopping in the boot when two spikes (one of them a sergeant) stopped me and said that a Mr xxxxxx had made a complaint. Apparently I had sworn at him - which was threatening behaviour , and used racially insulting words.
They are currently sending my details to the CPS (like your District Attorney) .

[Proud_USA_Republican]

Sorry to hear that. Good luck with dealing with all that. That moron is too blinded by his own stupidity to understand that the country he’s lucky enough to reside in is part of western civilization.
Keep fighting the good fight and supporting western civilization, even if political correctness is trying to destroy it.

[jabbermog]

Cheers for that .

This incident happened in Sheffield , 60 miles away . Nowadays there is a sizable number of Moslem immigrants which the Govt has brought in to swell it’s voting base . Ironically that clown I mentioned earlier seemed to be a well spoken student (probably a global warming/multiculturist/bum bandit) . Sheffield police are obviously under orders to keep the local Desertshites happy ; I should have mentioned that the sergeant regarded booking me as a complete waste of time .
Dont worry I will keep it up. There are shedloads like me and they can’t lock us all up !

Take care

[Stoat]

Thanks to everyone for your interest in this thread and all of your great replies. This is a one-time-only ping....I wanted to bring everyone’s attention to jabbermog’s post at #21 here. It seems that jabbermog’s neck is under the iron bootheel of the fascistic Multiculturalism Police, and I’m guessing that some friendly FReepers’ words of encouragement might be appreciated during this difficult time.

My prayers go out to you jabbermog and I hope that all of this will be resolved quickly and without your being fined or jailed for some sort of insane “racist” or “hate speech” offense.

Full steam ahead and may God Bless and Protect you.

[SoldierDad]

Um, could you not file a counter complaint against this person? Seems to me that he engaged in the behavior he is accusing you of. In fact, it was he who instigated this exchange (probably for the purpose of goading you into your response in order to file a complaint).

[jabbermog]

Yes your right - that is what I have been advised to do .
The fact that this kid thrust a leaflet in my face and then started blabbering when I tried to walk round him shows that HE approached ME first .
My solicitor , a longtime family friend , thinks that the police in Sheffield have got to appear to be even-handed , and that they will probably forget the whole thing .

[jabbermog]

Yes your right - that is what I have been advised to do .
The fact that this kid thrust a leaflet in my face and then started blabbering when I tried to walk round him shows that HE approached ME first .
My solicitor , a longtime family friend , thinks that the police in Sheffield have got to appear to be even-handed , and that they will probably forget the whole thing .

[jabbermog]

Much appreciated !

The way I see it - if all the multicultural, anti-western, anti-American mob hate you must prove that there’s not a lot wrong with you !

All the best .

[jabbermog]

Much appreciated !

The way I see it - if all the multicultural, anti-western, anti-American mob hate you must prove that there’s not a lot wrong with you !

All the best .

[Mercia]

Our bizzies are useless. The CPS is a defunct system.

Is this what our coppers are resorting to? Family member who served in the force have long said that its not what it used to be.

Just take your tale to the media. Build up enough of a fuss around the case, there will be no shortage of men supporting you.

[SoldierDad]

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers with the hope that this matter will be settled quickly and to your advantage.

[jabbermog]

Don’t worry , I emailed Jack Billen of the Grimsby Evening Telegraph and the Lincolnshire Echo’s desk last Monday .

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Even for Muslim perps?

[jabbermog]

Many Thanks.

This incident happened 60 miles from where I live . This is a rural area and fortunately Muzzos are about as welcome here as a Bostonian at a Confederate Army barbeque !

[SoldierDad]

I'm sure you are referring to the late 1800’s as opposed to now with respect to that barbecue. It seems that Bostonians and people living in the south today are much more cozier than they once were.

[manc]

it’s got really bad hey mate
I left because of things like that and did go to America,

Hope all goes well mate and everything is sorted in the end.

Good for you sticking up for yourself.

I used to go to the trafford centre(shopping centre) and the amount of muslims there was unbelievable.
They had a prayer room so me being me I decided to go in there and say some prayers, , well loads of muslims came in wanting me out as they wanted to do their 5 times a day prayer.
I stayed for about an hour,(the wife was shopping anyway so I had time to kill)

I got asked to leave etc and I said no thid place is for everyone etc etc.
There was nothing they could do and it really pissed them off.

As for the uniform I was bever allowed to wear mine outside of the barracks due to the threat of the IRA at that time but even so the locals hated us just bieng there, especially the men.

Of course they loved us at first when we first come back from war but that quickly wore off

[jabbermog]

My incident happened at the Meadowhall Shopping Centre in Sheffield .

Again a lot of Muzzoes there (the women, dressed like the wraiths in Lord of the Rings ) walking behind the blokes .

Funny , you would have thought shopping centres were part of the dirty decadent western culture - apparently not .

[manc]

there’s cases of Muslims women saying they won’t do certain work because it means touching bacon etc
at an airport the taxis drivers being Muslim said they would not pick up people with bacon or beer with them
at a supermarket called target a Muslim woman all of a sudden says she won’t cash people out if they have bacon

and yet go into a corner shop owned by a Muslim Pakistani and they sell bacon

in Luton the Muslims say that police dogs should not come into their house as dogs are dirty bla bla

To think the liberal do gooders let them get away with their tripe

course you see dogs owned by the Saudi royal family, they are owned in Afghanistan and Iraq

In England they said the Muslims that they should not pay interest on their loans and house loans as it is forbidden in the koran

Yet not one Muslims can find that passage in the book.
Like a book wrote hundreds of years ago says hey no interest on your mortgage

seems Muslims in the west, especially France, britain and America pick and choose their laws for their religion

[jabbermog]

As a Mancky living over in the States , you may have missed this gem from your old stamping ground .

Somewhere around Altrincham a Moslem ‘Information’ centre opened round the corner of a parish church that has been there since the 14th Century . Three days a week the choir practice ; a couple of weeks ago the Muzzoes approached the churchwarden and asked him if the choir could practice in the evening , as it was putting them of their 5 - times a day prayers . The churchwarden refused , so the imam complained to the local council . Guess which place of worship has now got to make alternative arrangements ?
They interviewed shoppers in the town centre on Sky News ; one bloke said he had been a leftist most of his life but this now tempted him to vote BNP .

[manc]

I did miss that of course I don’t expect to read such info from the BBC and the guardian etc etc

could you please keep me informed of other such disgusting acts by the local council etc

I heard a couple of years ago , though forgot where , maybe leeds or oldham, that a church used their bells on a sunday morning, well the local muslims complained it woke them up.

well a year later the mosque has 5 times a day call to prayer on their loud speakers

so a few Christians complained

guess what they were told to basically do one, the muslims have every right

When I got home least year back to little hulton salford I never saw any muslims as they haven’t dared to go there yet but the local council had moved about 50 africans in ,

guess what

the council, well tax payer is paying their rent, they got 3 grand for a car, they drive with no license, they basically live rent free, bills free

my next door neighbour etc said they had voted labour all their lives but if the BNP was in the area they would vote for them instead but for sure they will never vote labour again

seems people are waking up but I just hope it’s not too late

[Bigg Red]

Please keep us posted on what happens to your case. I hope there is something you can do to the jerk.

[Bigg Red]

Thanks for calling me back to this thread to read about jabbermog’s experience.

[Stoat]

Thanks for calling me back to this thread to read about jabbermog’s experience.

You're quite welcome  :-)

The sort of thing that jabbermog is experiencing right now could easily happen in the USA if we were to go just a little bit farther to the Left....imagine some disciple of "Reverend" Wright or Louis Farrakhan standing on a street corner in Mainstreet USA, handing out pamphlets about some Afrocentric BS and shouting anti-American slogans, shouting about he and "his people" are being oppressed and all. And let's just suppose that you or I were to be walking by and didn't care for what he was saying and told him so.  And let's just say that in the passion of the moment, I let slip something like "why don't you go to Africa if you don't like it here?" or "why don't you go to some third-world Commie fly-blown black hellhole and stay there?".  With that I just might find myself in exactly the same spot (or worse) that jabbermog is in right now.

Political correctness and racial 'sensitivity' could easily be incorporated into law far more so than it is at the moment here in the USA, to the point that free speech is pretty much a thing of the past.  All it would take would be for the Government to take a leftward shift under an Obama Presidency (bite my tongue) where he is swept into office in a hysterical tide of white guilt and anti-racist chest-beating.  Who would protect us from such a legal shift?  Certainly not the ACLU....they would most likely embrace it wholeheartedly. We already have severe limits on Free Speech in academia....don't expect to get a good grade in a course if you write a paper that embraces Conservative principles or finds fault with Leftist dogma.

[Stoat]

I got asked to leave etc and I said no thid place is for everyone etc etc.
There was nothing they could do and it really pissed them off.

 

[Bigg Red]

Wish I could argue with your scenario....

[jabbermog]

I’ve just come home from the office on a half day holiday and found a letter marked ‘South Yorkshire Police’ .
I just opened it and it says they said that ‘after careful deliberation we will take no further action on this occasion . However, given the wide diversity of people and opinions in this region, please show more consideration for induviduals engaged in law - abiding activism.’

It is signed by a Chief Inspector xxxxxx, who has the charming title ‘S.Y.P Head of Community Cohesion Services.’

Anyways it didnt go any further, just as my brief said . Just like to say to all you Freepers Many Many Thanks for all your posts . If the population of this country was more like you then we would not have this problem with 7th Century goat - diddlers in the first place.
Off sea fishing for the afternoon . Take care everyone.

Jabbermog

PS Manc Ill keep you informed about Islamic piss taking

[Stoat]

In case you missed it, please see jabbermog’s post at #46 here....it appears that the Diversity Fascists have taken jabbermog off of their Persecution List, at least for the time being.

Congratulations to you jabbermog, I’m delighted that things seem to have worked out well for you! Thank you also for your kind and gracious words :-)

Hope you caught a big one when you were out fishing!

[Bigg Red]

Thanks for the flag, Stoat.

Glad it turned out okay, jabbermog. Keep up the fight, FRiend, on your side of the Pond. Men like you are needed very much now.

[manc]

nice one mate and all the best,
aye keep us up to speed and BTW the fishing here off Florida’s coast is brilliant, .