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Political power has its place, and that place is in the legislative and executive domain.
1 posted on 05/20/2008 9:12:13 AM PDT by porgygirl
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Romans 1:25-27 tells us that same-sex sexual relationships are a consequence of idolatry. In other words, such relationships are a consequence of disobeying the 1ST COMMANDMENT, a major aspect of the GREATEST COMMANDMENT, to love the jealous God with all your being.

Homosexuals need to keep in mind, however, that the good news of the gospel is not about how God despises same-sex sexual relationships. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 indicates that certain members of that church had been slaves to such relationships but had been cleansed in Jesus' name. So these former homosexuals had evidently repented and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.

John 3:16
Revelation 3:20

2 posted on 05/20/2008 9:17:21 AM PDT by Amendment10
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Judges: “Constitution, we don’t need no stinking Constitution.”


3 posted on 05/20/2008 9:17:39 AM PDT by NTHockey
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To: porgygirl

That, and the 5th Commandment reads:

“Honor thy Father and thy Mother.”

Not “thy Father and thy other Father.” Nor “thy Mother and thy other Mother.”


4 posted on 05/20/2008 9:19:27 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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You know there is a reason the state is involved in marriage (licenses, divorce courts etc.). None of those reasons apply in even the smallest way to any sort of relationship between two men.


6 posted on 05/20/2008 9:23:34 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: porgygirl
Homosexuality ... just one of the many scourges of a diseased society.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

7 posted on 05/20/2008 9:30:33 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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It is the essence of democracy that people should be able to decide the moral rules that govern the nature of a community. If people don't have that power, then they are living under an autocracy.
No, Mr. D'Souza. If the people don't have the power to legislate other people's morality, that is called "liberty."

Dinesh D'Souza wrote a book in which he claimed that the Islamists would stop attacking us if we would just put our women in burkas and stop drinking alcohol. This article is a continuation of that argument.

8 posted on 05/20/2008 9:42:52 AM PDT by tvdog12345
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California is an evolving Marxist, statist regime in our midst, and this ruling only solidifies the trend.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 9:49:26 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: porgygirl
Dennis Prager, Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
13 posted on 05/20/2008 10:02:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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"Read the constitution, hold it up to the light, squeeze lemon juice on it--you won't see a right to gay marriage in there. It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights."

Dinesh, you miserable little jackass, rights don't COME FROM the Constitution, they are GUARANTEED BY the Constitution. Rights COME FROM the simple fact of existence. They're inherent, inalienable.

“The Framers of the Bill of Rights did not purport to 'create' rights. Rather, they designed the Bill of Rights to prohibit our Government from infringing rights and liberties presumed to be preexisting.”
- US Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan, Jr.

Free people have the fundamental right to whatever familial and financial arrangements best suit their desires and happiness.

What they don't have a right to is the legal recognition and acceptance of such arrangements and the accrual of legal benefits as a result of that recognition. What they don't have a right to is changing the law by changing the meaning of a word, rather than changing it through the legislative process.

15 posted on 05/20/2008 10:04:02 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Political power has its place, and that place is in the legislative and executive domain.

That is such a great line, and such a great summary. You are awarded the "best line of the day" award so far as I'm concerned.

Excellent. Thanks.

17 posted on 05/20/2008 10:09:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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Read the constitution, hold it up to the light, squeeze lemon juice on it—you won’t see a right to gay marriage in there. It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights

So what?
You can do all those things and not find the section that claims seperation of Church and State either yet our Politicians and Media hold that as a sacred truth
You will not find the right to kill your unborn baby, but our Politicians and Media hold that out as a Constitutional right
You will not find the section that denies your right a firearm if you ive in Washington DC as compared to Sweetwater Texas either. Yet our Polticians and Media seem to see that.....
As long as cizens allow these epopel to see the Constitution in whatever political agenda tyhey need to see it to cow tow to some political group then we will continue to see our Constitution eroded.


19 posted on 05/20/2008 10:12:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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While I agree with the position from which he argues, it really disturbs me to see D'Souza display such appalling ignorance about the Constitution.
Read the constitution, hold it up to the light, squeeze lemon juice on it--you won't see a right to gay marriage in there. It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights.

Please. I know that he's read the Constitution, yet he perpetuates the myth that enumerated rights are somehow the only rights we have.

The Founders couldn't have been clearer about it:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Not a whole lotta gray area there, Dinesh.

I'll forgive him for not knowing or understanding the historical context of the Bill of Rights, that so many Founders were opposed to it for this very reason: that it would be misunderstood as an exhaustive list. But it's hard to forgive him for not knowing or understanding the very clear language of the Constitution itself.

24 posted on 05/20/2008 10:51:10 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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This site is awful; massive browser slowdown. And I’m using Firefox on Linux.


26 posted on 05/20/2008 11:18:15 AM PDT by jack_napier (Bob? Gun.)
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Three responses, perhaps you have read about the following rights: liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Where does it say that all rights have to be in the constitution. Don't I have the right to go outside? Where is that stated? Wouldn't the right to chose whom you would marry be part of liberty and such a pursuit.?

This is not a democracy. It's a republic, with checks and balances from courts to make sure the majority doesn't oppress the rights of the minority.

If you find you're opposing any body's rights, gay or otherwise, maybe you need to re-examine your position.

27 posted on 05/20/2008 11:23:44 AM PDT by purpleraine
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“It is simply not an enumerated right, nor is it a right that can be clearly derived from other enumerated rights.”

It’s a disfunction in nature that has no rights to anything. Only our sick whack left “friends” find it necessary to give them validation. The only thing I keep in mind about gays is their beyond believe stupid parades....


31 posted on 05/20/2008 11:38:58 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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As I have said on several threads, the LAW in California clearly states that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is prohibited. No "straw poll", er, ballot initiative can change that.

What Cali voters need to do is push for a constitutional amendment defining marriage. Or, they can repeal the law that prohibits against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

While I find the concept of "gay marriage" laughable, I still think the judges made the right decision based on California law.

56 posted on 05/22/2008 10:25:59 AM PDT by Clemenza (Why do I Find Myself Attracted to Amy Winehouse?)
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