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McCain's French kiss
Financial Post ^ | May 13, 2008 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 05/20/2008 3:23:58 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: HwyChile

Power consumption is always changing moment by moment. If you ever get the chance, try to get a tour of your local electric utility’s control center. For Progress Energy in North Carolina, it’s the Skaale Center on Hillsborough St. in Raleigh.


41 posted on 05/20/2008 3:58:25 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: SierraWasp
Big dummy bogus baloney is right.
With all our army of engineers who put man on the moon, we can't figure out what to do with excessive power at night, like charge all the Priuses, pump the water up to reservoir to use during the day, etc.
Just tell people that their electricity costs fraction at night and watch the load getting balanced.
Green idiots feeding us crapola.
Can we get some leader again????
42 posted on 05/20/2008 3:58:37 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee!)
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To: Delacon

Check out EDF.PA on Yahoo Finance.

If this is a financial disaster, then someone is going to have to explain what success means.

Sure, it was subsidized, but so are many US businesses in some way.

Plus, it would be a huge task just to get to 40% electric/nuke. Still would not have to worry about daily cycle excess.

C2K


43 posted on 05/20/2008 3:59:25 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Delacon

There are many, many techniques for storing excess energy during non-peak hours. Nuclear may not be the best solution in all cases, but the fact it has to run “full out” doesn’t necessarily preclude its greater use. That’s why energy decisions should be made by experts in the energy industry as well as the free market and not by political hacks or media pundits.


44 posted on 05/20/2008 3:59:52 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Republican Who Will NOT Vote McCain!)
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To: HwyChile
IMO nuclear would have been much more reasonable, if the federal government told the protesters to take it elsewhere and stood up to them.

The delays, unnecessary regulations run amok, no wonder it was more expensive.

There are also costs that transcend monetary, and we're paying those costs today.

45 posted on 05/20/2008 4:00:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you continue to hold your nose and vote, your nation will stink worse after every election.)
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To: wolfpat

“Power consumption is always changing moment by moment.”

I know that, but that does not change what I said about having the right mix of nuclear power and more flexible power which will not cause any wasted nuclear power.


46 posted on 05/20/2008 4:00:35 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: Delacon

I’m going to agree with the others. The writer is talking beyond his competency.

His main point is that, since nuclear plants don’t lend themselves to being peakers, that they are not the answer. This is his sleight of hand. We’re not looking for “the” answer, we’re looking for answers, of which nuclear power can be a key part of the answer.

This is a sleight of hand that is used to undercut any and every action we try to take; since its not “the” ultimate and definitive answer, we ought not do it. Is ANWR going to solve all of our energy needs? No? Then we’re kidding ourselves to drill there at all. Is drilling off California going to solve all our needs? No? Then best not drill at all. Is a new wind farm going to solve all our needs? No?

You can see how the game is played. The end result is always paralysis.

If nukes don’t make great peakers, that should stop us from building about a hundred of them to take up the base load. That will take a while, and the question of “surplus” nuclear energy isn’t going to be an issue for quite a few years.

And when we get to the day that surplus nuclear power is a “problem”, isn’t that what we want? How else are we supposed to power those electric cars we’re supposed to want? And when would they be charging? At night?

At night. Exactly. Build enough nukes to cover daytime requirements, and at night while we all sleep, we’ll all charge our cars. Nat gas plants will be our peakers, just as they are now. Its not a problem.

My answer to questions like this, nuke versus wind versus bio versus natgas versus coal is let a thousand blossoms bloom. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. But nuke is another basket we have hardly begun to use.


47 posted on 05/20/2008 4:00:45 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Excellent post. I agree with all of it. I wish I had wrote it myself.


48 posted on 05/20/2008 4:02:52 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: marron
If nukes don’t make great peakers, that should stop us from building about a hundred of them

Meant to say "that shouldn't stop us"

49 posted on 05/20/2008 4:02:52 PM PDT by marron
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To: ElkGroveDan
"If there is still excess power then it could be consumed by...some other costly, power hungry process.""

Hell EGD, no problem at all. How about the "costly, power hungry" political hacks in Congress? You know it is simply not possible to produce more power than this pack of hyenas can suck up...

50 posted on 05/20/2008 4:03:23 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: chasio649

I’ve mixed many a batch of boric acid in water to fill the boric acid storage tank.

Boron 10 absorbs a neutron to become boron 11, which then alpha decays to lithium 7. The lithium helps scavenge oxygen from the reactor coolant.


51 posted on 05/20/2008 4:03:23 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: HwyChile

The power in a nuclear reactor is not wasted by running it at a reduced power level. And as I said in post 28, it’s fairly easy to change power level in a General Electric reactor.


52 posted on 05/20/2008 4:06:19 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Dog Gone; thackney; Grampa Dave
"I’ve noticed something very strange going on. Every single energy proposal that doesn’t address oil as the main source, is resoundly trashed here."

It's probably because most of the ridiculous "alternatives" can't past either the economically feasible test, or violate the second law of thermodynamics, D-1... The oil company's dark conspiracy has NOT reached into the souls of FReepers who demand reality in alternative energy proposals... don't worry!!!

We just like physics, chemistry and other scientifically tested theories, rather than the baseless barrage of dreamy alternatives the simply won't do as flexible and safe and all-around feasable job as hydrocarbons, ok???

Some of us also feel the same way about "Big Pharma" and all the other "BIG's!" They bees big because they help people live better lives, by and large!!! (Oh! And they keep productive people actually employed, too!!!)

53 posted on 05/20/2008 4:06:24 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Electing Juan McGore President, or any Dem, would be Super Power economic suicide!!! Vote Nader...)
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To: Delacon

build enough nuke plants to operate all peak hour needs,

as demand decreases, power water de-salianation plants
AND WATER THE WILD FIRE AREAS

this creats a ton of jobs and a ton of solutions


54 posted on 05/20/2008 4:06:42 PM PDT by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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To: Lexinom

Nuke plants are better used as “base load” generators — but then, so are coal plants.

That’s a far cry from the author’s assertion that they are “designed to run flat out, 24/7”.

See also post 28.


55 posted on 05/20/2008 4:10:14 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (La Raza hates white folks. And John McCain loves La Raza!)
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To: wolfpat
Boron 10 absorbs a neutron to become boron 11, which then alpha decays to lithium 7. The lithium helps scavenge oxygen from the reactor coolant.

The training never goes away....
56 posted on 05/20/2008 4:10:31 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: wolfpat

My rx was designed in 1965....i would hope things have improved :D


57 posted on 05/20/2008 4:11:44 PM PDT by chasio649 (sick of it all)
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To: DoughtyOne
I didn't intend that previous reply to offend you. You know I can't tolerate Juan McMistake, especially for his trying to elevate GW to any level of legitimacy, but if he thinks nuclear will solve our dependence on oil alone, then I'm forced to agree with him. He's right!!!

I still think his campaign is going down in flames worse than Dole/Kemp's did and I still won't vote for his miserable maverick carcuss, but he's right on nuclear power even if there ain't no man-made GW to resolve!!! This stance will nuke HIM!!! (even though he's half right)

58 posted on 05/20/2008 4:12:30 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Electing Juan McGore President, or any Dem, would be Super Power economic suicide!!! Vote Nader...)
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To: marron

Nuclear power as a piece of our energy puzzle sounds reasonable.

But I wonder what quantity of uranium reserves we have access to for the future? Also, have we actually found a feasible solution to removal of the waste - the old NIMBY argument always comes up.


59 posted on 05/20/2008 4:12:38 PM PDT by loungeSerf (Hi-Yield Bureaucrat Farming - Hillary/Obama 08)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Exactly the point I was about to make, except you said it a lot better.


60 posted on 05/20/2008 4:12:47 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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