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To: moderatewolverine

After the first day of battle at Shiloh the Union forces were pushed back to the banks of the Tennessee River. One of Grant’s generals, possibly Sherman, commented to general Grant, “They sure whooped us today”. Grant replied, “We’ll get ‘em tomorrow.”

I’m not telling what happened on that “tomorrow”, you all should already know.

General Grant was different than others, he was willing to keep ordering his men into battle, even after thousands of deaths and maiming injuries, he kept pushing them forward at the enemy. He was called “The Butcher”. Cold Harbor. General Grant saved the Union of the States.


12 posted on 05/22/2008 4:24:20 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: reaganator
To some extent it was function of his nature. Grant was a very stoic, plug ahead guy, of high intelligence. The Southern Generals are seen very romantically, as they saw themselves too. However their tactical and personal brilliance, they were strategically, and even politically, blind. The north basically raised an almost Soviet size and quality Army and got down to dirty business and crushed the south.

The Southern strategy was very much like Hitler's. Gamble with an insufficient population and material base, and hope you can win quickly.

17 posted on 05/22/2008 5:55:00 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: reaganator
General Grant was different than others, he was willing to keep ordering his men into battle, even after thousands of deaths and maiming injuries, he kept pushing them forward at the enemy. He was called “The Butcher”.

He is called a butcher and yet while Grant commanded army-sized units longer than Lee did, Lee had more of his men killed and wounded under his command then Grant did. Lee has the better PR I guess.

18 posted on 05/22/2008 6:00:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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“General Grant was different than others, he was willing to keep ordering his men into battle, even after thousands of deaths and maiming injuries, he kept pushing them forward at the enemy.”

Grant knew that he had a much larger base of men and material than Lee, thus he was not averse to using them. I think it was Shelby Foote who said that the North fought the war with just one hand.


25 posted on 05/22/2008 7:32:09 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: reaganator; Non-Sequitur

I know someone who is a big Civil War buff (I’m not particularly) who argues that Grant has gotten a really unfair rap on the “butcher” charge and that when you analyze all of the battles and casualty figures as percentages, etc. that Grant comes off just as well (maybe badly, depending upon your views) as Lee, a bit better in fact, and that Lee has simply enjoyed better PR.

Anyone know where to find that argument or the relevant stats? I know I’ve seen it before in an email years ago, I’ll try to find out more.....


30 posted on 05/22/2008 12:52:29 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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