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To: kms61

I apologize for the following long post in advance:

VDH is indeed a National treasure, but he, like most journalists and others who use HR as an example of some perceived fight within the ranks of GOs between warfighting GOs and Pentagon bureaucrats, has this one completely wrong.

Neither HR nor Sean was passed over for being a maverick by the “Pentagon-types”. I have no love of bureaucrats in the Pentagon, but HR and Sean’s challenges with making GO lay elsewhere, and in fact their work in Iraq is what will likely get both of them on this next list.

I am a close friend of both HR and Sean, and we have served many times together since our LT days. I believe HR has been passed over twice. There are some other issues involved with HR that got him on the wrong side of many GOs (all whom are also Iraqi vets) but these issues have nothing to do with his success in Iraq. He also spent five years away at West Point (with me, so I am not insulting him for it) getting an Advanced Degree and teaching. The last one, which used to be a major plus, has in recent years been a kiss of death on Boards (mistakingly in my opinion).

Sean is a case of a late bloomer. Rightly or wrongly, by the time he made LTC his “paperwork” was not as strong as many of his contemporaries. We both then went to work for GEN Tommy Franks some years back, and GEN Franks saw his outstanding potential and literally saved his career (as he should have). Sean was not going to get a battalion most likely, but GEN Franks wrote great OERs on him and then lined him up to be GEN Shinseki’s aide. Since then he has continued to shine. I am thrilled, because I believe he is tremendous strategic thinker.

Anyway, I do hope they are both on this upcoming GO list. But it will not signify a great shift in the thinking of Boards or anything else, which is what we will all read in the coming months. It will just be a case where their strong performances finally overcame a couple of their earlier ‘perceived’ weaknesses. I hate the Army promotion system, but in this case it probably will get it right.

I will also be thrilled because they are both Armor/Cavalry officers, and in the last couple of years Armor has been taking it on the chin in boards with respect to the Infantry. I have nothing against the Infantry, but we are not promoting or giving Brigade Commands to many Field Artillery or Armor officers these days (we are all waiting to see what happens with Battalion Command Boards), and we are in danger of becoming myopically focused if we are not careful. Each of these three branches brings a unique viewpoint to the fight, and we need all three to remain viable in the future.

One man’s opinion anyway.


8 posted on 05/22/2008 4:19:44 AM PDT by Proud Legions
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To: Proud Legions

Very interesting. Thank you for your insight.


10 posted on 05/22/2008 4:21:56 AM PDT by kms61
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To: Proud Legions

Wow. Thank you to you and your friends for saving western civilization.


13 posted on 05/22/2008 4:40:57 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Proud Legions
Thanks for the insight. It's appreciated.

Nam Vet

23 posted on 05/22/2008 7:18:22 AM PDT by Nam Vet ("Erin Go Bragh", declares Democrat hopeful Barry Finnegan O'Bama)
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To: Proud Legions

Thank you for the info and insights - that is very helpful to all of us who are trying to evaluate VDH’s column.


29 posted on 05/22/2008 12:40:15 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: Proud Legions

Appreciate your comments and insight on the current state of the Army promotion system for the upper echelons. I have enjoyed the various appearances of HRM on History Channel, etc. and have found his commentary to be on target. It would be a shame if he were not to make flag rank for the exact reasons you and VDH have written.

I would like to know how HRM remains on AD if he has been passed over for O-7 twice — used to be two strikes and you were out. Has that changed?


37 posted on 05/22/2008 4:03:51 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Proud Legions

Excellent analysis. IQ tests should count as much as PT tests. Too often its the guy who can run 10 miles, as opposed to the guy who can figure out how to get there without the effort, who gets the promotion.


38 posted on 05/22/2008 4:28:28 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Proud Legions

Thanks for that perspective...and for your service.


51 posted on 05/23/2008 7:24:06 AM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: Proud Legions; alfa6; An Old Man; Archangelsk; archy; BCR #226; in the Arena; BlueLancer; ...

Very interesting post, and thank you for you service.

And a treadhead ping, since this is a very worthwhile article by VDH, and your post concerns Armor officers.


59 posted on 05/23/2008 4:13:16 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Proud Legions
but we are not promoting or giving Brigade Commands to many Field Artillery or Armor officers these days (we are all waiting to see what happens with Battalion Command Boards), and we are in danger of becoming myopically focused if we are not careful. Each of these three branches brings a unique viewpoint to the fight, and we need all three to remain viable in the future

Thanks for your very frank comments. They are appreciated by one who has been away from things for more than a few years. And by the way, I couldn't agree with your last comment more.

69 posted on 05/27/2008 9:57:07 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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