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To: marktwain; LoneRangerMassachusetts
Are you serious in making the claim that a minor problem that we tolerate in other circumstances is enough to waive aside due process of law?

Name a situation...
…of a school counselor hearing about a report of "abuse" and repetitive imminent threat from a student...
…of a pastor hearing about a similar report...
…where the CPS is simply suppose to sit on their hands about these reports?

Some of what you may perceive as “tolerance” is sometimes buried within the victim. Here’s an recent example. I just read (about 3 weeks ago) a case where a 51 yo educator was sentenced because for over 1 yr (or longer) he committed a series of crimes against a 17 yo student in the 1990s. She didn’t report it until recently. Therefore he couldn’t immediately be held accountable. Even if somebody back then had (correctly in hindsight) assumed they knew what was going on, if they didn’t have evidence, a false accusation back then could have ruined a perfectly good educator’s reputation.

What if, instead of all this being a Mormon compound it was a Roman Catholic summer camp or Roman Catholic boarding school with chapel? What if a Roman Catholic priest was ordering students to undergo private “weddings” to camp counselors or educators? I mean so what if half of such students or summer campers for whom this occurred in this hypothetical were 18? People forget that this wasn’t just a compound residence, but it was also a school, a summer camp, and a church? So what? You’d give a Roman Catholic priest a free pass if he was ordering 14 to 18 yo summer campers and boarding school students to get married to already married folks on campus? (Haven’t you ever heard about criminal investigations for a person abusing their position of authority?)

What I love about posters like you and LoneRangerMassachusetts…is that you can stare at a cult square on, hearing that they've…
…trafficked minors across state borders and even across Canada;
…sexually abused minors;
…coerced them into bedding an already married man after a mock wedding;
.."escorted" most of their teen boys out of their communities ("lost boys") to "weed out" competition;
…coached kids & wives to deceive authorities or just plain leave them in the dark as to issues like age, who their parents are, who their unionized husband is, etc.; etc, etc, etc...
…and your conclusion? Well, it's not the cultists that’s a "poisonous tree," why it's the government (what LoneRangerMassachusetts calls the fascists in state government) that has planted a "poisonous tree?"

17 posted on 05/23/2008 2:49:35 PM PDT by Colofornian (As the fLDS is now, the LDS once was. As the fLDS is now, the LDS will become)
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To: Colofornian
What I love about posters like you is that most all of what you've spewed here is complete pigslop. You need some therapy, junior.
21 posted on 05/23/2008 2:56:32 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Colofornian
…and your conclusion? Well, it's not the cultists that’s a "poisonous tree," why it's the government (what LoneRangerMassachusetts calls the fascists in state government) that has planted a "poisonous tree?"

Twice i tried to point out to you there is a much greater problem facing America, the feminist driven social services. It's destroying large parts of our cities. Yet, you keep carping about the dinky problem in a remote area of Texas. The other problem is an unbridled government in the hands of the Marxists running social services. Each time they ignore due process and use force and get away with it, the rest of us become more the masses and less the people. It won't be long before they tell you what to do. I see a Nifong mentality in the Texas government that needs cleansing. I don't see saints saving the children.

26 posted on 05/23/2008 4:22:30 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Colofornian
“Name a situation...
…of a school counselor hearing about a report of “abuse” and repetitive imminent threat from a student...
…of a pastor hearing about a similar report...
…where the CPS is simply suppose to sit on their hands about these reports?”

Name these situations where the “reports” are from anonymous sources with no verification, and we see clear abuses of “political pedophilia”. Anyone can make an anonymous report and cause someone they do not like enormous difficulty. People labeled “child molesters” are considered guilty until proved innocent in our society, and often, not even then.
28 posted on 05/23/2008 4:37:01 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Colofornian
Colofornian said: "...coached kids & wives to deceive authorities or just plain leave them in the dark as to issues like age,"

You seem to have made up your mind about this, despite the recent admission that many of the "minors" who were lying about their ages were in fact telling the truth and are adults. Can't you spot the pattern of CPS failing to see the truth when it is in front of them and accusing the women of lying when they have been telling the truth?

The CPS owes you an explanation, since the basis for their original claim of people lying about their ages is proven to be, at least partially, FALSE. Yet you persist in the claim that the women were lying, knowing that the CPS was completely wrong in many cases.

30 posted on 05/23/2008 7:52:23 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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