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A woman president in the White House will be nothing like Hillary Clinton
Telegraph UK ^ | 25 May 2005 | Camille Paglia

Posted on 05/24/2008 6:09:41 PM PDT by shrinkermd

Right now, Hillary is in Godzilla mode, refusing to accept Barack Obama's looming nomination and threatening to tie the Democratic party in legal knots until the August convention and beyond. Those who think she will withdraw gracefully in a few weeks are living in cloud cuckoo land. The Clintons are ruthless scrappers who will lock their bulldog teeth in any bloody towel.

In her raw ambition and stubborn, grinding energy, Hillary will certainly cast a long shadow on young women aspiring to high office. She is both inspiring role model and cringe-making bad example - a feminist who never found a way to succeed without her husband's connections, advice, and intervention.

Bill Clinton may have masterminded Hillary's runs for the Senate and for the Democratic nomination, but he has been a gross liability in recent months, as he has co-opted the hustings to maunder on about himself or to inject divisive racial overtones into the debate. The next major female presidential candidate will be well advised to stuff any errant husband into a rucksack and chuck him down a laundry chute.

If they are to be truly equal, women must fight their own fights and not rely on a borrowed spotlight. Hillary has tried to have it both ways: to batten on her husband's nostalgic popularity while simultaneously claiming to be a victim of sexism. Well, which is it? Are men convenient sugar daddies or condescending oppressors?

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KEYWORDS: 2008; feminism; hillary; paglia; womanpresident
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Most see Hillary's office seeking behavior as pathological in some fashion. To be noted, unlike most the motivation is not pleasure and the avoidance of pain, but,rather, the "will-to-power."

This is simply not just having a goal of political power, but actually striving for excellence, meaningfulness and excelling above all others. Actually, what people like Hillary, her Husband and Obama do is enjoy the striving as much as anything else.

Paglia is right that Hillary is not about to give up easily. But this is not irrational or pathological from Hillary's point of view; like most with her lifestyle morality is what is good for Hillary is good; what is bad for Hillary is bad. She will conceal her underlying morality as well her husband and Obama, but big players with big egos strive for public acceptance while, at the same time, they ignore its restrictions.

1 posted on 05/24/2008 6:09:41 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I’ve said it many times and I think it bears repeating:

Romania had the Ceausescus, America has the Clintons.

The similarities are more than curious.

In a truly just world, their ends would be identical.


2 posted on 05/24/2008 6:13:04 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: shrinkermd

I have always detested Hillary, but I really think that even Hillary is freaked out by Barry O. Personally, I think he’s one of the creepiest people to have been in political life since Svengali. And I think Hillary may actually still be running because she is as upset as the rest of us that such a nutcase could possibly have a shot at the presidency.

Bill doesn’t care. One way or another, it’s not going to affect him, and he’s never given a darn about the US in any case.

I’d rather have Hillary - a shrieking leftist - than Barry (aka “Anti-Christ”) Obama any day. I’m seriously concerned that we’re going to end up with this guy.


3 posted on 05/24/2008 6:24:48 PM PDT by livius
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To: shrinkermd
I hope everyone notes the interesting fact that we are witnessing the MSM turn on Hillary the way that the Bush Derangement victims tear into us.

The simple fact is that Hillary is not Leftist enough for the New Democrat Party which has moved ever closer to the true face of Socialism.

Hillary is now in the way of one even more leftist than her, and they are seething with thinly disguised anger at this turn of events.

4 posted on 05/24/2008 6:26:24 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: livius

I gag on the words but I agree with you. Hillary would not be as bad a president as Baracko Bama.


5 posted on 05/24/2008 6:30:56 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: bill1952
Hillary is not Leftist enough for the New Democrat Party which has moved ever closer to the true face of Socialism.

Comment:

Truth is don't you mean New Communist Party....There is nothing Democratic about the current Democrat party except the name.

6 posted on 05/24/2008 6:32:53 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: shrinkermd
Thank God for the good old Telegraph, which never shrinks from exposing the Clintons' wrongdoings. It was their man Ambrose Evans-Pritchard who wrote The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreportd Stories. Maybe it helps to be a few thousand miles away from them. Sometimes I wish I was!

Hillary has got off absurdly softly in this campaign. No one - neither her rivals nor mainstream journalists - has had the guts to explore or even list the bursting catalogue of past Clinton scandals, in which Hillary was nearly always hip deep.

This is where we should focus our attention. The Clinton News Network and its clones need to be held accountable for giving this pair of grifters a free pass. We must never let them pull the wool over the electorate's eyes again. Will it happen? It will if we make it happen, Freepers.
7 posted on 05/24/2008 6:34:15 PM PDT by Arkancide (www.arkancide.com)
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To: shrinkermd

Bill Clinton may have masterminded Hillary’s runs for the Senate and for the Democratic nomination,

k lets not kid ourselves...Bill wears the pants but its Hillary that has the gonads.


8 posted on 05/24/2008 6:40:38 PM PDT by SouthDixie
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To: Past Your Eyes

Did you mean to say “baWacko Bama?”

LOL!

I’ve often wondered why Democraps choose to worship the such phony candidates (Bill Clinton, Hitlary, Obama, Teddy Kennedy, John Skerrey, Jesse Jackoff, etc.).

The answer is that their whole philosophy is based on denial of truths & realities that are obvious to those with logical minds. So it is fitting that they choose phonies for worship too.


9 posted on 05/24/2008 6:42:23 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam ("Celebrate Diversity! Look at the world with all it's problems - Isn't "diversity" so beautiful?)
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To: livius

Unless Hillary introduces him to Ron Brown and Vince Foster.


10 posted on 05/24/2008 6:45:11 PM PDT by fish hawk (Silence is often misinterpreted but never misquoted.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Just like the Federal Reserve is just as “Federal” as the Federal Express...


11 posted on 05/24/2008 6:47:07 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: shrinkermd

How easily the Democrats ignore the fact that Bubba really could never effectively campaign for anyone beyond himself. In fact most Congressional, etc. politicians were smart enough to shy away from him. It is always all about him and none of his personal campaign magic traslates to others.


12 posted on 05/24/2008 6:50:42 PM PDT by rod1
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To: the anti-liberal
Now you got it

ZACKLY

13 posted on 05/24/2008 6:54:07 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: OKIEDOC

THE DEMS HAVE NO CANDIDATE!!


14 posted on 05/24/2008 7:00:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: shrinkermd

“The next major female presidential candidate will be well advised to stuff any errant husband into a rucksack and chuck him down a laundry chute.”

Nobody says it like the Brit’s. Great read.


15 posted on 05/24/2008 7:05:03 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (Love your neighbor. Buy American.)
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To: shrinkermd

I believe that the first woman President will be a Republican.


16 posted on 05/24/2008 7:14:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: littlehouse36
Nobody says it like the Brit’s. Great read.

Camille Paglia isn't a Brit. She's a professor of art in Philadelphia. Also a professed lesbian, a committed liberal, yet a Clinton-hater and a well above average writer.

17 posted on 05/24/2008 7:32:24 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: littlehouse36

Well Camille’s not a Brit, she’s American, and in fact she’s a liberal lesbian feminist. She still hits the nail on the head often enough to give her credit though. She even calls in to Rush’s show every once in a while. I really enjoy her art and literary criticism.


18 posted on 05/24/2008 7:33:06 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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To: livius

What you said. Yup.


19 posted on 05/24/2008 7:38:12 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: littlehouse36

>>>“The next major female presidential candidate will be well advised to stuff any errant husband into a rucksack and chuck him down a laundry chute.”

>>>Nobody says it like the Brit’s. Great read.

Paglia isn’t a Brit, but that is a natural mistake. She is an American, an early feminist who was drummed out of the movement because she rejects groupthink and thought for herself. Her literate style of writing is rare amongst American academics.

I and others have posted various of her columns if you would like to search and see what you’ve been missing.


20 posted on 05/24/2008 7:39:41 PM PDT by tlb
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To: shrinkermd

Not sure I agree with the enjoyment of the striving part. I mean where is the enjoyment of striving when you go on the air and proclaim (paraphrasing here) “WHEN I am nominated...”? Similarity to the enjoyment of chasing down chicks as opposed to actually landing one? Thrill of the hunt sort of thing? Inquiring minds need to know. sarc tag off. Freegards.


21 posted on 05/24/2008 7:41:45 PM PDT by printhead
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To: livius
I’m seriously concerned that we’re going to end up with this guy.

You needn't be. The democrats are soiling each other as they fight for the nomination of one or the other.

If Obama gets the nomination, he will spending all of his time trying to dig himself out from under the giant pile of schmidt that the Republican machine will drop on him. It hasn't been needed yet.

That he is an owned yutz will be apparent to all.

If Hillary gets it, she will have not only screwed Obaba, but herself and her party as well.

Popcorn time!

22 posted on 05/24/2008 7:41:53 PM PDT by Octar
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To: SuziQ

I believe the entirety of Paglias article probably proves your point and I have always believed the same. the US voters are not ready to elect an affirmative action president...Female, black or anything else..


23 posted on 05/24/2008 7:46:21 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: okie01
Camille Paglia isn't a Brit. She's a professor of art in Philadelphia. Also a professed lesbian, a committed liberal, yet a Clinton-hater and a well above average writer.

I enjoy her writing even when I don't agree with what she is saying. She sure is skilled.

24 posted on 05/24/2008 7:49:02 PM PDT by Octar
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To: Sacajaweau
“THE DEMS HAVE NO CANDIDATE!!”

Unfortunately, neither do the Republicans. This has got to be the worst field of "finalists" for President in my lifetime

25 posted on 05/24/2008 7:49:10 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: okie01

Camille Paglia

Actually, he is a shemale.


26 posted on 05/24/2008 7:50:04 PM PDT by shaft29 (Just your typical black woman.)
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To: shrinkermd
This is a Twilight Zone moment. Last night, I did this graphic. Perhaps Camille was on FR?


27 posted on 05/24/2008 7:55:22 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: shrinkermd
That either of these two are candidates for president illustrates how significant the socialist/marxist threads are that run through our social fabric.

Worse still, they disregard the negatives (historically?) associated with gender and race as if these will have no effect. Well, white men may not be able to 'jump', yet their record of election victories remains uncontested.

28 posted on 05/24/2008 7:56:39 PM PDT by budwiesest ('08 election will pull back the curtain to reveal the worst. Be prepared.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia

29 posted on 05/24/2008 8:05:06 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: littlehouse36; dead; reagan_fanatic
“The next major female presidential candidate will be well advised to stuff any errant husband into a rucksack and chuck him down a laundry chute.”

Surely you two guys can create something brilliant and hilarious with this.

30 posted on 05/24/2008 8:06:49 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Octar
I first saw Camille on C span about 5 yrs ago and thought here we go again with another lib lesbian flame thrower...

After just a few minutes I couldn't stop watching and after an hour I was amazed...

Here was an intelectual liberal who was actually willing to talk about the issues instead of demagoging...She had no hatred of W and actually had a fondness for Rush,(go figure)If I can find the link I will post it...

31 posted on 05/24/2008 8:08:27 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: shrinkermd
In other words, Hillary is Tracey Flick from the movie Election. Hillaryous!
32 posted on 05/24/2008 8:15:28 PM PDT by rabidralph (Dear Dems, please let the Americans drill for oil So Others Might Eat.)
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To: livius

I still can’t bring myself to admit that Hillary would make a much better president than Obama. I think either one of them would be equally terrible!

Have to disagree on your point that Bill doesn’t care. A presidency for his wife gets him back in the spotlight and gives him a chance to do some legacy polishing.


33 posted on 05/24/2008 8:25:51 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (..."I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case." - HRC)
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To: livius
And I think Hillary may actually still be running because she is as upset as the rest of us that such a nutcase could possibly have a shot at the presidency.

She has been planning this for a long time and just can't believe she is losing to Barack when the Democratic nomination is rightfully hers. She is just as power-crazy and despotic as Obama.

34 posted on 05/24/2008 8:31:35 PM PDT by ikka
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To: To Hell With Poverty; littlehouse36; shrinkermd

Here’s an excerpt from Paglia on the press, McCain and Rush. She captures the essence of all three with just a single paragraph!!!

“Only the pussy-whipped princelings of a press terrain soaked with feminist cant could mistake a stunted Uriah Heep like McCain for a “real” man. Ironically, liberal journalists’ blindness or malice has enormously strengthened their arch foe, Rush Limbaugh — whose radio show was the one reliable place, day by day amid the saccharine swill, to hear the refreshingly tart truth about McCain. After the McCain fiasco, Limbaugh’s cultural indispensability as an ideological counterweight should be acknowledged by every honest observer across the political spectrum.”


35 posted on 05/24/2008 8:38:25 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

Potent! Thanks for posting. Paglia could be the Mark Steyn of the left.


36 posted on 05/24/2008 9:03:20 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (Love your neighbor. Buy American.)
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To: Theresawithanh

And he gets a chance to screw the maids (or the maidens) in the Lincoln Bedroom!


37 posted on 05/24/2008 9:32:26 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: livius

Bring on Barry O. If he is elected, we will see the biggest electoral backlash in American history om 2010.


38 posted on 05/24/2008 9:33:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (Why do I Find Myself Attracted to Amy Winehouse?)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

Thanks! I accredit “Sexual Personae” with rescuing me from mainstream feminism. Or at least the anti-male, perpetual-victimhood aspects of it. Actually, it may very well have been my first little push towards “right” thinking! It was an exciting and liberating read. Plus I had just dropped out of art school with all it’s postmodern banality and nihilism, and her love of classicism really bucked me up.


39 posted on 05/24/2008 9:41:17 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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To: Theresawithanh
and gives him a chance to do some legacy polishing.

Oh? Is that what the kids are calling it, nowadays...? ;)

40 posted on 05/24/2008 10:03:31 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: ikka

(Maybe it's too obscure, but the idea made me chuckle.)

41 posted on 05/24/2008 10:24:55 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: Octar
I enjoy her writing even when I don't agree with what she is saying. She sure is skilled.

She's a brilliant writer, and really a lot of fun to watch on discussion panels. To say that she's got a lot of "energy" is an understatement. Sort of the exact opposite of William F. Buckley, but with the same, sharp intellect (although I disagree with many of her opionions.)

I wish that I could have had her as a teacher: I'm sure that I would have developed an appreciation of art. I actually used to hit the "Slate" web site to read her weekly columns.

Mark

42 posted on 05/25/2008 5:30:09 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: mkjessup
Wow, I never thought of the comparison to the Rumanian dictators. Good one.
43 posted on 05/25/2008 10:52:15 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Arkancide
People here think the press is ripping into Hillary. The press isn't doing anything but cosmetic coverage. The huge gaffes that she routinely makes are covered for a couple of days and smoothed over. Anyone else, especially a Republican, would be branded for life if they said anything remotely as stupid.

Obama got nailed for weeks by Jeremiah Wright. He's a dunce. So is she. There is no difference between the two of them on issues. They are both communists. They are both candidates of the far left. But I've waited for two decades to see the Clintons lose. I detest them. They represent the ruin of America. Obama is a young goofball. He might be just as stupid after being elected as he is now. We can hope.

44 posted on 05/25/2008 11:00:58 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21
Wow, I never thought of the comparison to the Rumanian dictators. Good one.

Thanks, and if there was any true justice in this universe, both of those infamous couples would have the same kind of ending in common. All of them egomaniacs, all of them amoral and utterly depraved, all of them without any redeeming social value whatsoever. Lying, murderous scum.
45 posted on 05/25/2008 11:21:00 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romania had the Ceausescus, America has the Clintons.)
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To: FreeReign; Behind Liberal Lines; top 2 toe red

Two more Clinton adorers in the first five posts in the thread. This is why these Scum aren’t dead yet. Continuing, relentless ‘conservative’ support. The entire country has gone mad this election cycle.


46 posted on 05/25/2008 3:53:20 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: bill1952
The simple fact is that Hillary is not Leftist enough for the New Democrat Party which has moved ever closer to the true face of Socialism.

Hillary lacking in leftist creds for the Democrat party?

ACU ratings based on percentage of votes;

Obama 2007 = 7%
Obama 2006 = 8%

Clinton 2007 = 0%
Cinton 2008 = 8%

47 posted on 05/25/2008 4:39:18 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
Two more Clinton adorers in the first five posts in the thread. This is why these Scum aren’t dead yet. Continuing, relentless ‘conservative’ support. The entire country has gone mad this election cycle.

Yep, another Hillary-is-not-that-left, ALERT!

48 posted on 05/25/2008 4:41:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Correction...

Obama 2007 = 7%
Obama 2006 = 8%

Clinton 2007 = 0%
Cinton 2006 = 8%

49 posted on 05/25/2008 4:43:37 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

>Hillary lacking in leftist creds for the Democrat party?

Absolutely. Those ratings aren’t worth the screen they display on.
Aside from his race, he ain’t getting all of those votes for nothing.

Even Hill doesn’t promise to pull the troops irrespective of the situation on the ground.


50 posted on 05/25/2008 5:03:34 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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