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Chinese Voices--Are you listening?
Global Voices Online ^ | John Kennedy

Posted on 05/25/2008 1:48:09 AM PDT by zhcn

Global Voices is a non-profit global citizens’ media project founded at Harvard Law School’s Berkman Center for Internet and Society, a research think-tank focused on the Internet’s impact on society. http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/about/

Do you wanna know something about Sichuan earthquake or else in China? Please see it.

http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/-/world/east-asia/china/page/2/

Of course you can search other country from this site and get some information about it.

(Excerpt) Read more at globalvoicesonline.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; earthquake
We can know many different voices from this site. I think it's a good thing.
1 posted on 05/25/2008 1:48:09 AM PDT by zhcn
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To: zhcn

Much of the damage in China seems to come from corrupt building practices. The only solution is the complete destruction of the Communist Party


2 posted on 05/25/2008 4:53:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

And the new capitalism that is sweeping China will only alienate folks without some kind of moral compass. Forbes’ recent issue about “Thug Capitalism” like that in Russia and Eastern Europe will definitely be a turn-off.

A one-party state cannot long survive, especially in these times when information is so readliy available. The disaffection of an educated middle-class will be accelerated though knowledge of corruption. It is only a matter of time before Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, and their ilk are done for.


3 posted on 05/25/2008 5:56:46 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: zhcn; yangsuli; CassieChan; kirler; lzb86404; earthykid; dlzping; xiaojj; nofog; astragalus; ...
Be careful, FRiends.

China: Political blogger arrested, computer confiscated

Thank you for the link, looks interesting.       :^)

4 posted on 05/25/2008 9:07:39 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Travis McGee; TigersEye; sam_paine
Check the link I placed in #4 -- looks like an interesting site.

Of course, I doubt that I would be able to voice much about that craven maven Hilliary (Jim doesn't allow us to swear!) -- as I recall she was on the wagon about having a Gate Keeper setup for the web. Looks like that's what these folks are aspiring to become, although there are several stories detailing the oppression of governments for political voices. I wonder if Soros has a hand in it?

5 posted on 05/25/2008 10:32:32 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

For those who can’t access the site, here’s the text:

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Guo Quan, co-founder of China’s Netizen Party and litigant in a recent lawsuit against Yahoo!, had his computer confiscated over the weekend and is now halfway through a ten-day detention period. According to the Guardian newspaper, Guo’s arrest, carried out as he was walking his son to school, comes “because of false information he posted online.”

From the Guardian report:

It was unclear which comments upset the authorities. Guo has written a string of critical articles on the communist one-party political system. He was stripped of his professorial post at Nanjing university last year.

In the past week, he is said to have raised questions about the emergency services’ response to the quake and the safety of nuclear facilities in Sichuan. Fellow members of his small party believe his detention is connected to last week’s disaster.

Would that be the quake that Chinese officials admit has left hundreds of dams damaged? Or the one in which the government first said nuclear facilities in the area had been affected, then declined to give details, leaving even nuclear scientists skeptical of later claims that those facilities are now under control?

Guo Quan’s final ‘Democracy Sounding’ essay in his lengthy series prior to his arrest gives a technical analysis of the threat posed to local residents by the hundreds of dams in the immediate earthquake zone, and proposes that inhabitants of the area be moved to higher locations, a somewhat redundant conclusion given that exactly such steps are already being taken.

Democracy Sounding part 218, prior to the one above, is entitled “China’s New Democracy Party urges the Communist Party of China to quickly release a safety report on Sichuan’s nuclear facilities”.

Has the Chinese government, as many foreign media are saying this week, truly demonstrated maturity in its handling of the earthquake disaster, through tolerating discussion and even criticism of its response? It depends who you ask. Former journalist and widely-read Bullog blogger Wen Yuanchao, for instance, reports that as of May 16, at least seventeen netizens had been investigated for comments made online: two of which have been arrested, two made to write declarations of wrongdoing, and with the remaining thirteen forced to undergo disciplinary lectures.
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Why is the Party going after guys like this? It is probably worrying about the next Zhu Yuanzhang or Liu Bang, each of whom amassed peasant armies, from a base of zero, to topple the reigning dynasties of the era. Even unsuccessful contenders like Li Zicheng and Hong Xiuquan almost destroyed the dynasties of the era, from a base of essentially nothing.


6 posted on 05/25/2008 12:50:40 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei; brityank

Great posts, keep it coming!


7 posted on 05/25/2008 1:09:15 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: 12Gauge687
A one-party state cannot long survive, especially in these times when information is so readliy available.

True. They need to learn to pretend they have two parties like we do here.

Sorry, my cynicism levels have been rather elevated lately. I guess I need to take more garlic or something.

8 posted on 05/25/2008 3:31:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: 12Gauge687
A one-party state cannot long survive, especially in these times when information is so readliy available. The disaffection of an educated middle-class will be accelerated though knowledge of corruption. It is only a matter of time before Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, and their ilk are done for.

Is there any evidence show that educated middle-class would have more tolerance about corruption in a two-party state?
9 posted on 05/25/2008 10:14:18 PM PDT by laberphany
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To: 12Gauge687

A one-party state cannot long survive, especially in these times when information is so readliy available.

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Oppositely,the one-party state may last even longer than you have expected,especially in these times when information is so readily available.The more we know from internet, the harder we realise our development.We must draw together more closer than before,do we have a brighter future.
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The disaffection of an educated middle-class will be accelerated though knowledge of corruption. It is only a matter of time before Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, and their ilk are done for.

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What makes you think”The disaffection of an educated middle-class will be accelerated though knowledge of corruption. “? You know the public opinion of Chinese. Can you share where you found this info? Or imagined by yourselves.
Chinese has the different situation from any other countries in the world.Large population,developing countries,so the regime/policy will be different from other countries either.The best regime may not be the appropriate regime for China.Don’t put your own cap on others’ heads.

It’s the “barbarian /autarchy “authority who arrived at the disaster center around 4 hours after it happened.What about the New Orleans disaster?

It’s the “barbarian /autarchy “authority who leads their people to live a better life.
It’s the “barbarian /autarchy “dominator who are improving their practices.Opener than before.
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You won’t know the real”barbarian” regime in China until you get rid of your born bias.


10 posted on 05/26/2008 3:56:46 AM PDT by zhanli
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To: zhanli

Our Chinese engineering graduates can kick your Chinese engineering graduates’ butts.


11 posted on 05/26/2008 4:02:15 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Well then, the “kicker” engineers will be needed and occupied in Sichuan, Gansu, and other Provinces for a very long time. Get to work.


12 posted on 05/26/2008 4:20:37 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: 12Gauge687

Re: Chinese Voices—Are you listening?
From 12Gauge687 | 05/26/2008 5:33:24 AM PDT read

Dear Moron,

This was my relatives’ experience in Taiwan under the Kuomingtang. Once they became somewhat prosperous and learned others were also dissatisfied, they demanded better performance from government officials, better products from local vendors, and better construction from contractors.

Info can be found in Chinese periodicals printed in the West. They are readily available at any Asian market.

Finally. Before you bitch and moan about Katrina, please learn how the Federalist system of government works. Books written by and about John Adams are a good start. A “federal republic” such as the USA is made up of 50 (in the case of America) sovereign states. The federal government must get permission to enter or be invited by the elected officials of a state. The sovereign state of Louisiana did not respond immediately to questions by the federal authorities. When they did respond the federal government received conflicting information.

Welcome to the Free Republic site; now please learn some English before posting again on this forum.

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Why don’t you post this publicly?

LOL,i am no good at English,that’s true.From what you said above,waht i saw is a clown.”Moron/bitch”..your words to describe a person who shares the different opinion with you.A citizen in advanced countries.How ridiculous! We learned to share the different opionions more than 2000 years ago.And the method to deal with these people are not obloquy/insult,but convincing people by reasoning.It’s very boring to talk with you.I won’t waste my time again!


13 posted on 05/26/2008 6:05:49 PM PDT by zhanli
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