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Venezuelan army upset about links with the guerrillas, says Miami Herald
El Universal ^ | 5/26/08

Posted on 05/26/2008 6:34:33 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

From 800 to 1,000 colonels, brigadier generals and division generals of the Venezuelan armed forces are relegated to their homes, with no responsibilities or command whatsoever, mainly because they are at odds with indoctrination and the attempts at turning the military into a socialist army, modeled after the Cuban army, according to a report of US daily newspaper Miami Herald.

According to the newspaper, which quotes intelligence sources, 10 out of the 30 brigadier and division generals included in this list graduated in the same 1978 class of Defense Minister Gustavo Rangel Briceño.

Orlando Ochoa Terán, a security and defense analyst in New York, thinks that the issue of the alleged relationship between the Venezuelan government and the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) has demoralized the army officers and soldiers, because the guerrillas have been the traditional foes of the Venezuelan military.

For her part, analyst Rocío San Miguel claims that the parties involved "are generals who have not taken a pro-government stance, have an opinion on their own and are widely recognized by the troops, because they have an ethical behavior, have been the first in their classes and are respected.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; venezuela

1 posted on 05/26/2008 6:34:33 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

Not smart to alienate your generals.


2 posted on 05/26/2008 6:38:10 PM PDT by realpatriot (Some spelling errers entionally included!)
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To: Dawnsblood; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Re: From 800 to 1,000 colonels, brigadier generals and division generals of the Venezuelan armed forces are relegated to their homes, with no responsibilities or command whatsoever, mainly because they are at odds with indoctrination and the attempts at turning the military into a socialist army, modeled after the Cuban army, according to a report of US daily newspaper Miami Herald.

Gadzooks! Me thinks... that sounds like the US Armed Services after nObama and Commissar Michelle are elected!

3 posted on 05/26/2008 6:47:05 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: realpatriot

especially when your whole presidency depends on the military not blowing down your door and dragging you out to be hung which is fairly common in South America.


4 posted on 05/26/2008 6:47:39 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul

Not quite common enough in some notable cases.


5 posted on 05/26/2008 6:50:30 PM PDT by realpatriot (Some spelling errers entionally included!)
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To: Dawnsblood

Great! Let’s support a coup. We would have the additional pleasure of hearing American leftists scream when their hero, Chavez, gets kicked out.


6 posted on 05/26/2008 6:52:17 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Concerned about the price of arugula)
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To: realpatriot; Dawnsblood; Bender2
Memo to patriotoc generals: Next time you pull a half-assed coup and arrest the socialist maniac,

KILL HIM!


7 posted on 05/26/2008 6:52:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Bender2

God help us....but there are those on FR actually hoping one of those two win.


8 posted on 05/26/2008 6:52:34 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: popdonnelly

Too late, been there, done that, didn’t kill him, won’t work a 2nd time. You get one shot, and they didn’t finish it.


9 posted on 05/26/2008 6:53:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, Travis, Travis... don't you know that we don't kill our enemies, we meet with them!

Like nObama... we need to meet for peace!


10 posted on 05/26/2008 7:04:28 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Actually, I was speaking only of nObama and his wife, Commissar Michelle... not Her Ankleship Hillary nor First Felon Bill!
11 posted on 05/26/2008 7:07:40 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Dawnsblood

Unfortunately, the US cannot do anything covertly to assist those disaffected military officers or one of the socialists in our CIA, State or Congress will leak our activities to the Chavez-bots on Capitol Hill and the MSM and Chavez will hold press conferences about how the US is planning on overthrowing his country (which will cause oil to go up another $10 bbl). Oh, and Chavez will jail the dissafected officers. Just like Castro did in Cuba.

We do not have a foreign policy because we cannot keep secrets which aren’t in line with our enemies wishes.


12 posted on 05/26/2008 7:14:43 PM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: Dawnsblood

Hugo is dumb as a post.. These Generals will become the underground.. These guys better be running for the hills.. Hugo will have them shot post haste.. Chavez is create a very qualified OPPOSITION.. HELLLOOOO... CIA operatives please go the the white phone in the lobby.. ...


13 posted on 05/26/2008 7:48:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: All
I believe that both the military coup in Indonesia that brought Suharto to power and the one in Chile which brought Pinochet to power were caused by the pro-Communist President initiating a plot to kill or capture all the top Generals and that they almost succeeded in both cases they military coup was not really a military takeover but defensive response to prevent an illegal total Communist take over.
14 posted on 05/26/2008 7:54:22 PM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: Bender2
Like nObama... we need to meet for peace!

Maybe he will be able to "get a sense of his soul". I guess our presidents are good at this.

15 posted on 05/26/2008 8:31:37 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Dawnsblood
the alleged relationship between the Venezuelan government and the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) has demoralized the army officers and soldiers, because the guerrillas have been the traditional foes of the Venezuelan military.

Its not an "alledged" relationship. Chavez is FARC. The day Chavez took power, FARC captured Miraflores and Venezuela itself. Its just taken awhile for people to figure it out.

Chavez was on FARC's dime before he took power, and he's been repaying the favor in spades from day one. And Venezuela went to war with the Colombia the day Chavez took the oath of office. They didn't need the hard drives to tell them that. FARC is supplied with Venezuelan weapons, financed with Venezuelan money, they hide on Venezuelan territory, keep their high value hostages in Venezuela, their leaders keep apartments in Caracas and travel with Venezuelan passports. They attack from the Venezuelan side of the river with Venezuelan air support. They are in Chavez' inner circle, and are on the dais during Vz military ceremonies.

There is no alleged about it.

16 posted on 05/26/2008 8:59:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: Prokopton
Re: Maybe he will be able to "get a sense of his soul". I guess our presidents are good at this.

Gadzooks, Prok! Never use nObama... and our presidents in the same thought!


17 posted on 05/26/2008 9:07:49 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Dawnsblood

>>>From 800 to 1,000 colonels, brigadier generals and division generals of the Venezuelan armed forces

“And in terms of troop strength, Venezuela’s 34,000-soldier active-duty army still lags behind the armies of Argentina and Brazil, with about 41,400 and 200,000 members respectively, according to GlobalSecurity.org, a Web site that compiles data on military topics.”

Not quibbling about the basic story of a dictator afraid of his generals, but the numbers don’t sound right. I suppose it’s possible that one in 34 Venezuelan soldiers is a colonel or better but that seems top-heavy, even for South America. And that’s just the “unreliable” ones.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2007/070225-venezuela-arms.htm


18 posted on 05/27/2008 1:26:45 AM PDT by tlb
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