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It took less than one drink to get Shannon Wilcutt busted for felony DUI[AZ][Busybodys]
Phoenix News ^ | 20 Mar 2008 | Sarah Fenske

Posted on 05/27/2008 7:56:48 AM PDT by BGHater

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To: CindyDawg
“Maybe. It’s easy to second guess. What if she had been drunk though and people all said “it’s none of my business’ and she went out and had an accident.”

It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the establishment serving alcohol to judge whether or not a patron is impaired. Her waiter knew that she was drinking water not wine. The idiot who reported her did not. Who would you say had a better understanding of the situation, the waiter or the busy body?

81 posted on 05/27/2008 9:18:34 AM PDT by monday
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To: Resolute Conservative
How do yu know? Were you there?

And if she was, how come no conviction?

82 posted on 05/27/2008 9:22:41 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If the opposite of Pro is Con, what is the opposite of Progress? -- Tom Glennon)
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I am not happy with this woman...

You’re in a lot of pain (I have migranes so bad it hurts to breath in a pitch black, cool, perfetly still/no vibrations to jar your head and body place... unless you know, you CANNOT understand) but you have a small child to care for... You man up and hold out until someone (husband/father/grandparent/trusted babysitter) comes to relieve you. THEN and ONLY then may you crawl off and hope to die. Or take the pill that will actually help you feel like living.

Also... She ate lunch...? After a dental appointment that intense..?

And as far as I’m concerned, you don’t take a strong dose of med. and ‘sink into a relaxing bath’, bath salts or no bath salts. Stupid people die that way...

Where were her helpers while she was going to take her ‘relaxing’ bath? The old ‘Calgon, take me away!’ commercials used to make me see red! You don’t lock yourself into any bathroom for more than 20 or 30 seconds with an unsupervised 4yr old running about the house!

AHHHH!!!!... (Rant over)

That said, maybe she doesn’t mother the way I did, but did she deserve what happened to her? ... I don’t know. Was she impared? I don’t know, I wasn’t there. Reading through this I have mixed emotions. I think if she’d have just called me, I would have told her to give her little one some Pop Tarts (or a can of Spagettios) for lunch with milk and juice to chase them while she sat/lay on the couch in a fairly dark, soothing room while he watched a favorite movie or two. She would have been on the job and not exerting herself to the point it made the pain worse. I’d have been there in an hour to spell her for her bath and nap! ‘Dad’ could relieve me when he got home... At least that’s the way we do things in my house!


83 posted on 05/27/2008 9:23:30 AM PDT by Dyslexic Mom
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To: BGHater

Ceballes is the owner of a commercial landscape company called Horticulture West

I am glad his name and compaany was posted. I am going to ghost this clown every chance I get....cell phone in hand until the shoe is on the other foot. I HATE nosey busy bodies that want their 15 minutes of fame.


84 posted on 05/27/2008 9:36:15 AM PDT by Wavrnr10
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To: Resolute Conservative

No she wasn’t. She was cleared by the doctor.


85 posted on 05/27/2008 9:40:10 AM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: ltc8k6
Please stop forgetting that everyone is innocent unless and until they are proven to be guilty.

That's a hoot. And definitely not true when it comes to drug/alcohol or tax evasion charges.

"From the minute the cops pull you over, they assume you're drunk (or you're charged with tax evasion).

It's your job to prove yourself innocent. "

86 posted on 05/27/2008 9:42:32 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If the opposite of Pro is Con, what is the opposite of Progress? -- Tom Glennon)
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To: bassmaner

Right all the way.


87 posted on 05/27/2008 9:44:33 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If the opposite of Pro is Con, what is the opposite of Progress? -- Tom Glennon)
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To: BGHater
It's your job to prove yourself innocent.

And if you fail, you hang. That's the American system of justice, as all the DNA releases show. Nifong isn't the only such...

88 posted on 05/27/2008 9:49:37 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters!)
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To: piytar

If I drink a glass of wine it doesn’t even register on the meter.

I have to have a couple glasses to get to .01.

I think she’s lying.

By the way, does your dad know you’re using his computer?


89 posted on 05/27/2008 9:58:13 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Clint Williams

Here are 2 very good videos related to this subject:

http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/content/view/109/45/


90 posted on 05/27/2008 9:59:36 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I have to have a couple glasses to get to .01.

Here are the charts -

Click here

It's more typical for the average 180 pound man to be around 0.02% after 1 drink, and for the average 140 pound woman to be around 0.03% after 1 drink. In the case of these charts, "One drink is 1.25 oz. of 80 proof liquor, 12 oz. of beer, or 5 oz. of table wine."

91 posted on 05/27/2008 10:04:10 AM PDT by meyer (Still conservative, no longer Republican)
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To: Enchante

Apparently it does affect everyone differently. It doesn’t make me tired or slow in the least...if anything, I’m considerably more focused and attentive once the pain’s stopped.


92 posted on 05/27/2008 10:05:11 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (Cthulhu 08! Why vote for the Lesser Evil?)
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To: Dyslexic Mom
I agree, there's more to this story than meets the eye. If she wasn't impaired, the cop could have just warned her. Or, made sure that she could find an alternate way home. Instead, she was cited - making a ton of work for the cop, as well as bringing in CPS and so on.

I know that there are FReepers who think that cops have nothing better to do than swing around their, erm, authority, but everytime an arrest like this is made, it generates a ton of paperwork on the back end. I'm sure that improper arrests happen, but in general if there's an alternative to generating a ton of extra work or finding an easier solution, I'll bet on the easier solution every time.

In just looking at the facts as presented by this article - and that assumes the article is correct (a MASSIVE assumption to make) I'd have to say that I'd have acted the same way as the "concerned citizen". Not so sure about the cop - he may not have been 100% right, but I don't think he was 100% wrong either.

And I think that it's pretty obvious from all of her actions that this woman was an idiot. Mixing heavy duty meds, alcohol, and driving around with your kids in the car, is really, really stupid. No matter if you *are* within legal tolerances. Heck, the cop may have just cited her for DUI when he really wanted to do it for an appalling lack of common sense.

93 posted on 05/27/2008 10:06:30 AM PDT by wbill
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To: A. Patriot
Here are 2 very good videos related to this subject:,...

And my favorite DUI video....

Click your heels here

94 posted on 05/27/2008 10:11:18 AM PDT by meyer (Still conservative, no longer Republican)
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To: Lazamataz

I made A’s in spelling try this, asshat.

I love that people have so much time on their hands instead of arguing point they want to dissect grammar.


95 posted on 05/27/2008 10:12:28 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Fire_on_High
I’m considerably more focused and attentive once the pain’s stopped.

That means being in pain is an impairment, so you're pretty much screwed either way.

What exactly is "impaired"? Anything short of your best reaction time, on your best day.

96 posted on 05/27/2008 10:13:58 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: meyer

Nice link.

I don’t think the chart is accurate based on my experience but I think its better to be conservative if you’re going to be driving.


97 posted on 05/27/2008 10:17:37 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: VRWCmember
I had one problem with the second lady in the story:

She'd had only one glass of wine. She'd been the designated driver.

If she was the designated driver, she should not have had even one glass of wine. Even though that is not enough to impair you, a designated driver is supposed to refrain from alcohol altogether.

She had not broken the law. She can do what she wants to do.

98 posted on 05/27/2008 10:29:45 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Bob

I ran out to buy some things at lunch today. At the back end of the shopping center parking lot, I slow-rolled through a couple of stop signs where there was zero population of cars or pedestrians. I’d wager we all do that.


99 posted on 05/27/2008 10:38:27 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: tacticalogic
What exactly is "impaired"? Anything short of your best reaction time, on your best day.

I had a discussion about that a while back and I came to the conclusion that I'd rather be in a car with  my mid twenty son driving  after six beers than my eighty four year old father on his best day

100 posted on 05/27/2008 10:47:36 AM PDT by grjr21
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