Religious trends and our religious future (UK will be Muslim nation in 30 years)

Church of England News ^ | 5/29/2008 | Unattributed

[mojito]

If recent reports of trends in religious observance prove to be correct, then in some 30 years the mosque will be able to claim that, religiously speaking, the UK is an Islamic nation, and therefore needs a share in any religious establishment to reflect this. The progress of conservative Islam in the UK has been amazing, and it has come at a time of prolonged decline in church attendance that seems likely to continue.

This progress has been enthusiastically assisted by this government in particular with its hard-line multi-cultural dogma and willingness to concede to virtually every demand made by Muslims. Perhaps most importantly the government has chosen to allow hard-liners to act as representing all Muslims, and more liberal Muslims have almost completely failed to produce any leadership voices to compete, leading many Britons to wonder if there are indeed many liberal Muslims at all, surely a mistake.

At all levels of national life Islam has gained state funding, protection from any criticism, and the insertion of advisors and experts in government departs national and local. A Muslim Home Office adviser, for example, was responsible for Baroness Scotland’s aborting of the legislation against honour killings, arguing that informal methods would be better. In the police we hear of girls under police protection having the addresses of their safe houses disclosed to their parents by Muslim officers who think they are doing their religious duty.

While men-only gentlemen’s clubs are now being dubbed unlawful, we hear of municipal swimming baths encouraging ‘Muslim women only’ sessions and in Dewsbury Hospitals staff waste time by turning beds to face Mecca five times a day — a Monty Pythonesque scenario of lunacy, but astonishingly true. Prisons are replete with imams who are keen to inculcate conservative Islam in any inmates who are deemed to be culturally ‘Muslim’: the Prison service in effect treats such prisoners as a cultural block to be preached to by imams at will. Would the Prison service send all those with ‘C of E’ on their papers to confirmation classes with the chaplain?! We could go on.

The point is that Islam is being institutionalised, incarnated, into national structures amazingly fast, at the same time as demography is showing very high birthrates. Charles Taylor’s new and classic work on the Secular Age charts the rise of the secular mindset and what he calls the ‘excarnation’ of Christianity as it is levered out of state policy and structures. Christianity is now regarded as bad news, the liberal elite’s attack developed in the 1960s took root in the educationalist empire, and to some extent even in areas of the church.

Today the Christian story is fading from public imagination, while Islam grows apace. There needs to be some fresh thinking in this area where the claims of Christ are sensitively explained. Our church leaders must develop ways of explaining this, as our feature on mission and evangelism this week demonstrates.

[mojito]

This is the CofE's assessment. It's probably worse.

[ExTexasRedhead]

Here’s where England is going right now:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/736686/the-universities-witchhunt-against-the-jews.thtml

[ought-six]

England is soooooo finished.

[Right Wing Assault]

Why wait 30 years. Wave the white flag now and get it over with. Just don’t ask to come here unless you are going to help us prevent the same fate befalling the US.

[Right Wing Assault]

The leaders are being nice to the muzzl’ems because they think the muzzl’ems will favor them when they take over.

No, they will just kill you last. After you have helped them get everything they want from you.

[mojito]

"A third of London’s residents were born outside Britain, a higher percentage of newcomers than in any other city in the world except Miami, and the percentage continues to rise. Likewise, migration figures for the country as a whole—emigration and immigration—suggest that its population is undergoing swift replacement. Many of the newcomers are from Pakistan, India, and Africa; others are from Eastern Europe and China. If present trends continue, experts predict, in 20 years’ time, between a quarter and a third of the British population will have been born outside it, and at least a fifth of the native population will have emigrated. Britain has always had immigrants—from the French Huguenots after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes to Germans fleeing Prussian repression, from Jews escaping czarist oppression to Italian prisoners of war who stayed on after World War II—and absorbed them. But never so many, or so quickly."

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_otbie-immigrant_assimilation.html

[mojito]

Not sure why that link didn’t work.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_otbie-immigrant_assimilation.html

[Cicero]

Yes, it’s certainly worse than he suggests.

“Then in some 30 years the mosque will be able to claim that, religiously speaking, the UK is an Islamic nation, and therefore needs a share in any religious establishment to reflect this.”

How naive can you get. Muslims don’t want a share, they want it all. And they will take it as soon as they have the power to do so. That is the experience of 1400 years of history. No exceptions, except Spain, which fought back and finally drove them out after centuries of struggle and suffering.

[rmlew]

Paging Richard the Lionheart.
Europe is commiting suicide as official policy.

[truthguy]

The Brits have brought this problem upon themselves. They supported liberal labor politicians who promised cradle to grave security. The politicians promised that they would be protected. The whole PC craze started in the UK. Most of the BS that I read about Global Warming comes out of the UK. They are more worried about Global Warming than the Muslim takeover of their country. They lost confidence in the great country and civilization they once were and embraced security and gradually gave up their freedoms. They also lost their faith in God in the process. Very few people attend religious services in the UK. I have read that more people are in mosques than in the churches. I believe it.

Much of the same has happened in the United States but I think we will make a fight out of it. The Brits will go quietly into the night. They are in denial now. When I bring this up with my UK friends they say that I am crazy. No I am sane, it is they who are in denial. But you cannot get through to them. They are certain that they are right even when you put the evidence right into their face. They will not believe it. This time we cannot save them. They must admit that they have a problem before they can take steps to correct it. They will not admit they have a problem. Anyone who suggests they have a problem is labeled a racist. I do not think that they will admit to having a problem even when Sharia Law is instituted. They are that foolish.

[Cacique]

That’s what happens when you make christianity a gay religion and pagan practice.

[Wilhelm Tell]

The French and Germans and Italians shared a comon Christian, Western culture with the British. The Jews kept their religion and culture while still becoming British. We are about to see what happens when choices are stale Marxism, tired hedonism, and militant Islam.

[happygrl]

London could use more immigrants form Eastern Europe and Africa. It has been stated that the two main church-going groups in Britain are Catholics and Black Pentecostals. London would have even fewer church-goers, if not for the above mentioned immigrants.

What a nation: they disparge the Jews and kow-tow to the Muslims.

They will reap what they sow.