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Why a Texas Appellate Court Seriously Erred
FindLaw ^ | May 29, 2008 | Marci Hamilton

Posted on 05/29/2008 9:43:07 AM PDT by MizSterious

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To: commonguymd

And what if the TSC overturns the 3rd Circuit?


81 posted on 05/29/2008 2:01:10 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

LOL, who hates Texas here?

Still learning stuff by making it up in your head methinks.


82 posted on 05/29/2008 2:01:34 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: MizSterious
I am surprised to see some of that as well. However, being a proud Texan, I write it off to jealousy! ;)

susie

83 posted on 05/29/2008 2:01:38 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: MizSterious

Well, then I would imagine it gets played up to the next level. Either way it might anyway.


84 posted on 05/29/2008 2:03:37 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: Lurker

I’d say her opinions carry a lot more weight than 99% of the armchair “legal experts” on this thread. Including yours.


85 posted on 05/29/2008 2:04:14 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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The Texas Supreme Court has said it will issue a decision in the FLDS child custody case at 3:05 p.m. local time.

Not sure which "local time" the Deseret Times is referring to, but Mountain or Central, the decision should be out now.

86 posted on 05/29/2008 2:07:31 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

TX SC just upheld the 3rd - children must be returned.


87 posted on 05/29/2008 2:07:49 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: MizSterious

Just heard on Fox the children must be returned (court ruling).
No other info.
susie


88 posted on 05/29/2008 2:08:01 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: patton

You are one fast typer! ;)
susie


89 posted on 05/29/2008 2:08:38 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: patton

good.


90 posted on 05/29/2008 2:08:46 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: brytlea

All I can say—it’s on their heads, then.

But for all these idiots on here yammering that there was “no due process”—obviously, there was, at least for the parents.


91 posted on 05/29/2008 2:09:43 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

Texas Supremes will issue their ruling in about an hour.


92 posted on 05/29/2008 2:10:38 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: MizSterious
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS ════════════ No. 08-0391 ════════════ In re Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, Relator ════════════════════════════════════════════════════ On Petition for Mandamus ════════════════════════════════════════════════════ PER CURIAM Justice O’Neill filed an opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part, in which Justice Johnson and Justice Willett joined. The Yearning for Zion Ranch is a 1,700-acre complex near Eldorado, Texas, that is home to a large community associated with the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. On March 29, 2008, the Texas Department of Family Protective Services received a telephone call reporting that a sixteen-year-old girl named Sarah was being physically and sexually abused at the Ranch. On April 3, about 9:00 p.m., Department investigators and law enforcement officials entered the Ranch, and throughout the night they interviewed adults and children and searched for documents. Concerned that the community had a culture of polygamy and of directing girls younger than eighteen to enter spiritual unions with older men and have children, the Department took possession of all 468 children at the Ranch without a court order.[1] The Department calls this “the largest child protection case documented in the history of the United States.” It never located the girl Sarah who was the subject of the March 29 call. The Department then filed several suits affecting the parent-child relationship (“SAPCRs”)[2] requesting emergency orders removing the children from their parents and limiting the parents’ access to the children. The Department also requested appointment as temporary sole managing conservator of the children, genetic testing, and permanent relief. On April 17-18, the district court conducted the adversary hearing required by section 262.201(a) of the Texas Family Code.[3] Subsections (b) and (c) state in relevant part: (b) At the conclusion of the full adversary hearing, the court shall order the return of the child to the parent . . . entitled to possession unless the court finds sufficient evidence to satisfy a person of ordinary prudence and caution that: (1) there was a danger to the physical health or safety of the child which was caused by an act or failure to act of the person entitled to possession and for the child to remain in the home is contrary to the welfare of the child; (2) the urgent need for protection required the immediate removal of the child and reasonable efforts, consistent with the circumstances and providing for the safety of the child, were made to eliminate or prevent the child's removal; and (3) reasonable efforts have been made to enable the child to return home, but there is a substantial risk of a continuing danger if the child is returned home. (c) If the court finds sufficient evidence to satisfy a person of ordinary prudence and caution that there is a continuing danger to the physical health or safety of the child and for the child to remain in the home is contrary to the welfare of the child, the court shall issue an appropriate temporary order under Chapter 105. The hearing was attended by scores of attorneys for the parties, attorneys ad litem, guardians ad litem, Texas Court Appointed Special Advocates (CASA), and many others. The hearing was conducted in the courtroom in San Angelo with overflow participants in the city auditorium. At the conclusion of the hearing, the district court issued temporary orders continuing the Department’s custody of the children and allowing for visitation by the parents only with the Department’s agreement. Thirty-eight mothers petitioned the court of appeals for review by mandamus, seeking return of their 126 children. The record reflects that at least 117 of the children are under 13 and that two boys are 13 and 17. The ages of the other seven, at least two of whom are boys, are not shown. Concluding that the Department had failed to meet its burden of proof under section 262.201(b)(1), the court of appeals directed the district to vacate its temporary orders granting the Department custody. In re Steed, ___ S.W.3d ___ (Tex. App.–Austin 2008). The Department petitioned this Court for review by mandamus. Having carefully examined the testimony at the adversary hearing and the other evidence before us, we are not inclined to disturb the court of appeals’ decision. On the record before us, removal of the children was not warranted. The Department argues without explanation that the court of appeals’ decision leaves the Department unable to protect the children’s safety, but the Family Code gives the district court broad authority to protect children short of separating them from their parents and placing them in foster care. The court may make and modify temporary orders “for the safety and welfare of the child”,[4] including an order “restraining a party from removing the child beyond a geographical area identified by the court”.[5] The court may also order the removal of an alleged perpetrator from the child’s home[6] and may issue orders to assist the Department in its investigation.[7] The Code prohibits interference with an investigation,[8] and a person who relocates a residence or conceals a child with the intent to interfere with an investigation commits an offense.[9] While the district court must vacate the current temporary custody orders as directed by the court of appeals, it need not do so without granting other appropriate relief to protect the children, as the mothers involved in this proceeding concede in response to the Department’s motion for emergency relief. The court of appeals’ decision does not conclude the SAPCR proceedings. Although the SAPCRs involve important, fundamental issues concerning parental rights and the State’s interest in protecting children, it is premature for us to address those issues. The Department’s petition for mandamus is denied. Opinion issued: May 29, 2008
93 posted on 05/29/2008 2:11:00 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: MizSterious

I suppose it can still be appealed, I have no idea. We always think judges who agree with us are clear eyed, and those who don’t are...well...not so clear eyed! ;)

susie


94 posted on 05/29/2008 2:11:24 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: MizSterious
I think there's a lot Texas hatred here, too.

Apparently the Supreme Court of Texas hates Texas as they just ruled that those kids MUST be returned immediately.

L

95 posted on 05/29/2008 2:12:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: brytlea; lady lawyer

order from TX SC at #93. (I am not a fast formater...)...lol


96 posted on 05/29/2008 2:12:59 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: Lurker

No, I’m sure she was referring to the occasional comment (which I’ve seen as well) not those who disagree on the issue. Some people cannot make any sort of argument without denigrating the other person. None of us would do that... :)

susie


97 posted on 05/29/2008 2:14:08 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: patton

This resets it back to square one. Now, lets hope Texas CPS can get it right and get those kids out of there legally.


98 posted on 05/29/2008 2:14:41 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: patton

I thought you typed all of that, I was amazed!! :)
Thanks for posting it. It will take me longer to read that it did for you to post.

susie


99 posted on 05/29/2008 2:15:08 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

What will be their next avenue?
susie


100 posted on 05/29/2008 2:15:42 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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