Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 05/30/2008 12:46:32 PM PDT by Entrepreneur
I'm positively gleeful about the prospect of runaway global warming - anthropogenic (i.e., man caused) or otherwise. You see, we've got the solution to global warming. It's air conditioning. Eureka - the future is bright!
But what if it doesn't get warmer? What if it gets colder?
If some solar physicists are correct, the sun's magnetic activity may impact world temperature more than man-made greenhouse gases. And the sun's magnetic activity appears to be slowing.
For more than 200 years, scientists have noted a correlation between sunspots (areas of intense magnetic activity) and temperature, even if they weren't quite sure how sunspots affected climate. In 1801, the "King's Astronomer," William Herschel, noted a relationship between the number of sunspots and the price of wheat. Fewer sunspots meant colder temperatures, less wheat production, and higher prices.
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Global cooling is possible.
Global taxation is definite.
I predict, here and now, that over the next 10 years the global climate will vary.
It was colder this morning. Frozen actually, and all the deciduous plants are suffering, even the paper birch looking kind of in shock. Unusual by the 30 some years I personally know of here.
I can see it now: People freezing with all that oil and natural gas right under their feet. People had better get some common sense in their heads instead of pure indoctrination.
Global taxation is definite.
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This is all it has ever really been about. Period.
I’ll up that to 20 years, ah heck make it a hundred years.
We have had a particularly cool Spring here in MD. So much so, I told my wife that if it doesn’t warm up soon, I am going to keep my car running in the driveway.
Pretty soon we will be giving carbon credits for people to CONSUME gas. We will need more CO2 in the atmosphere to keep it warm.
And when all is said and done, COLD is the FINAL state of all......
What if? It already is colder. We’re still waiting for summer to start in Minneapolis!
www.spaceweather.com
We aren’t approaching a minimum. We’re already in one.
We’ve been cool and WET in Howard County MD. The wet is good, we finally are through with last year’s drought...but summertime should be in full force by now.
It’s all about your Globalness. It’s about raising the cash.
Whatever climate, political or otherwise their goal is to justify a final Global authority over the whole world.
There is a spirit out there that wants to rule the whole planet. All at once.
Let it rip.
In the end, after quite a struggle and a lot of delusions.
God has other plans and will marvelously save Israel.
Ah, we'll stay nice and toasty in our homes as we starve to death because of cold-induced crop failures. I feel better already.
Excellent point. I live in the Low Desert, and almost every summer a few unprepared souls are found dead from exposure in remote areas -- but often with untouched bottles of water or soda in their vehicle. Why didn't they drink the soda? Who knows?
But it's eerily apropos of our energy crisis today, isn't it?
I get confused by these guys too. We are in a minimum. However, the next cycle was supposed to kick off earlier and hasn’t really got going yet, although I believe there have been a few sunspots for this new cycle (there is an overlap). Some models from years ago predicted it would get going in the spring of 2007. Then they changed it to February 2008.
So - some believe that this indicates that the maximum that we will be heading into will have fairly low sunspot numbers. (So - a minimum maximum??!!). I think that is the key - although I think it would take two or more of these cycles (11 years per cycle) with low numbers to bring about severe cooling.
You mean to tell me that the SUN has some effect on Warming the Earth!
The next thing you'll tell me is that 99.999999998% of the earth's weather comes from the solar energy, (the rest comes from those close stars! Maybe!). furthermore ALL of the Earth's energy sources, be it oil, coal, gas, tidal and geothermal energy comes from the SUN!
By Gosh and By Golly! Someone should pass me the Oscar Meyer Weiners!
And I’ll bet that you didn’t need billions of dollars in tax money and years of government funded research to come to that conclusion!!! :)
It’s all about your Globalness. It’s about raising the cash.
Whatever climate, political or otherwise their goal is to justify a final Global authority over the whole world.
“There is a spirit out there that wants to rule the whole planet. All at once.
Let it rip.
In the end, after quite a struggle and a lot of delusions.
God has other plans and will marvelously save Israel.”
That is why I would not be surprised to see Obama elected. Part of God’s plan. Free will on our part. Why the US is not in Bible prophesy as a viable nation.
Global Warming will be masked by periods of Global Cooling lulling us into thinking that it’s all just Global Weather.
I’ve often wondered if charged ions from the sun, when they collide with the magnetic field of the earth, if they induce a current flow that runs along the boundaries of the magnetic lines which dive into the earth’s poles and would thus create a gigantic current flow, and current flowing through a conductor produces heat. This heat could be why the earth has a molten core, or contribute to it. Solar minimum, means less charged particles, means less induced current, means less heat generated on earth, means global cooling. Is this possible or is the physics all wrong????
When I told my lib MIL that the earth’s temperatures were actually cooling in the most recent data, her face looked as if I’d just told her that her favorite dog just got run over in the street.
I said, don’t worry, it doesn’t matter if the earth is warming or cooling, the “solution” will always be the same -
more socialism, higher taxes, less individual freedom, more government control.
Numbers of sunspots probably don’t matter in the short run. There are no noticable effects on climate or weather that correlate with the 11/22 year cycle to any significant extent. But there are subtle effects, “space weather”, that eventually affect weather further down, perhaps with delays. Some jet stream pattern shifts for example. But the solar cycle length is also a good indicator of changes in other sun characteristics, not just spots, and those affected climate as seen in the Maunder Minimum.
I think your idea is ok and could affect some weather in some ways. But not heat from current, that would be negligible, and in fact there is no indication of extra heat on a 11 or 22 year cycle.
But heat developed deep within the earth would take a long time to manifest itself on the surface through the crust and mantle. There would be a considerable lag time. And the Sun has more than an 11 or 22 year cycle, I think I’ve read that there is also a several hundred year long cycle as well????
The charged particles colliding with the earth’s magnetic field causes the beautiful auroras, but little else.
The molten core is due to decaying radioactive elements and the “friction” of the pulls of the moon and the sun.
The cooling/warming due to the sun is more direct. Radiation from the sun warms the earth. More solar activity = warmer.
If you’d like a neat examination of the processes of the earth, read “Privileged Planet”.
There’s also an interesting theory about the weakening magnetic field letting more of the Sun’s rays in and causing the amount of cloud cover to diminish which leads to higher global temperatures. All in all, I highly believe that the Sun has far more to do with global temperature than the Chevy Suburban.
That's one theory, they haven't really nailed down why we have a molten core 5 billion years after the earth's formation.
“why we have a molten core 5 billion years after the earth’s formation.”
enough radioactive isotopes to keep it going for that long - that’s what I’ve read.
I guess we’ll know more when they are able to drill down several thousand miles and take direct measurements and samples.
Low temperature this morning: 31.1 degrees.
Another frost is due tomorrow morning.
This is because I live in the interior of Alaska. This is also supposed to be the place on Earth most likely to experience radical warming due to climate change.
Glad I had the heater on inside the greenhouse.
In the end, after quite a struggle and a lot of delusions.
God has other plans and will marvelously save Israel.
I could use some though to help recoup the massive investment of my own time, energy, and money that I needed to expend to come to my conclusion.
36 and frost on the windshield here in fairbanks this morning.
Well that was your mistake. You used your own money. Aren’t you aware that there is a bottomless, magically self-regenerating ocean of tax money that is available for just such pursuits?
Well, maybe next time...
Yes - I believe there are longer cycles in the sun. Also, some Russians have come up with the theory (and the data of course) that every so often (forget how long, 1000 or 10,000 years - something like that) our solar system passes through an “energy cloud” or something.
Well - here’s something from a quick search for russian energy cloud, etc. I didn’t read the article yet, but it DOES have a good graphic for the sunspots going back to the “Little Ice Age”.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sunfreaking.htm
Okay - the site is “The End Is Near” type thing. Still - some interesting information if you can get past the hype and the doom and gloom.
Well we’re all just a massive gamma ray burst away from the worst sunburn we’ve ever had. The cosmic dice that get thrown our way..........
But, in all seriousness - the world and the solar system and the universe is huge. With all sorts of probabilities of disaster. In that light I view the entire earth as a Garden of Eden. And also in that light, while we need to take care of our environment - to think that we have any affect on the Earth's climate is ridiculous IMHO.
Colder would be a bigger problem. Shorter growin seasons will cause a lot of problems.
And looking at the sunspot cycle, we are going to be colder.
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