Posted on 06/02/2008 1:34:15 PM PDT by SJackson
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad suffered a humiliating setback this week in his quest for international legitimacy. Ahmadinejad is expected to arrive in Rome this week to participate in a UN summit on the global food crisis (which has been caused by the rise in oil prices that Ahmadinejad is so pleased to have had a role in fomenting).
Ahmadinejad was hoping that while in the Italian capital he would be able to have a photo-op with Pope Benedict XVI. To secure the meeting, Ahmadinejad - who has called for all nations to convert to Islam or be destroyed (except for the Jews who can do nothing to avoid destruction) - has been sweet talking the Vatican for months. In his latest move, during a meeting in April with Archbishop Jean-Paul Gobel, the Vatican's representative in Iran, Ahmadinejad referred to the Vatican as a "positive force for justice and peace."
But Benedict was unmoved by Ahmadinejad's flattery. His request for an audience with the pontiff was unceremoniously rejected.
Not surprisingly, the Israeli government has nothing to say about Benedict's humiliation of Ahmadinejad. This is unsurprising because the Olmert-Livni-Barack-Yishai government has never bothered to pay attention to anything that the pope does. His bold moves in recent years to challenge Islamic leaders to repudiate murder and coercion in the name of Allah have elicited no support and indeed no reaction of any kind from Jerusalem.
The Olmert-Livni-Barack-Yishai government's neglect of the Vatican is regrettable, but it is par for the course for this government which has limited Israel's foreign policy to appeasing Palestinian terrorists and kowtowing to the State Department. The best that can be said for this state of affairs is that at least Israel's neglect of the Catholic Church - like its neglect of Africa, Asia, Europe, South America and Australia - is benign. In contrast, the treatment that the Vatican has received from some American Jewish leaders has been far from neglectful and far from benign.
RATHER THAN stand with the Catholic church as Benedict moves boldly against radical Islam, American Jewish leaders led by ADL Director Abe Foxman have been attacking the church for its theological decisions. Last year, fresh from his bitter campaign against Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus, Foxman began targeting the Vatican for its decision to permit wider use of the traditional Latin Mass which includes a prayer for Jews to convert to Christianity.
While it is unpleasant for Jews to consider millions of Catholics praying for us to abandon our faith, it is unclear why what they say in their churches should interest us so long as they aren't demanding our presence at disputations or forcibly converting us. After all, in our prayers, we explicitly reject their faith as false. And this is to be expected.
Every religion asserts itself as the one true faith and demeans all others as false. As the American Jewish radio host Dennis Prager noted at a lecture for the David Horowitz Freedom Center in Santa Barbara, California this weekend, "There is no Judeo-Christian faith. There are Judeo-Christian values."
JUDAISM AND Christianity are different religions. But they share common moral values and it is on the basis of these values that joint action can be taken and separate actions can be judged. Jews and Christians cannot judge each other on the basis of theology, only on the basis of morality.
Pope Benedict's actions clearly show him to be a friend of Israel and the Jewish people. Unfortunately, due to the grave absence of Jewish leadership in both Israel and the US today, he has little to show for it.
But any grief that Israel's neglect, and men like Foxman's unnecessary criticisms may have caused the pope are nothing compared to the insults Jewish leaders have heaped in recent months on our most prominent Protestant Christian friend. The humiliating treatment that Pastor John Hagee, the founder and national chairman of Christians United for Jews has suffered at the hands of American Jewish leaders is simply a travesty.
This week in Washington, DC, AIPAC is hosting its annual policy conference. It will be an illustrious affair. Heavy-hitters from both American political parties will be in attendance, as will scholars and activists from Israel and the US. But one name is noticeably absent from the three-day program. John Hagee - who in three years has transformed CUFI into a grassroots pro-Israel movement that dwarfs AIPAC in size - is not on the program. And this is a horrible thing.
AIPAC's decision to shun Hagee says something terrible about the state of American Jewish politics today. Quite simply, Hagee has become a victim of liberal American Jewish leaders' decision to place their leftist political preferences above their concern for Israel's survival and for the well-being of American Jewry.
SENATOR BARACK Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, has a problem with his religious background. Until last weekend, Obama was a 20-year member of the Trinity United Baptist Church in Chicago. In recent months, his former pastor Jeremiah Wright, the man who converted him to Christianity, officiated at his wedding and baptized his daughters, has been exposed as an anti-American, anti-white and anti-Semitic political activist who preaches a black supremacist version of Christian teachings to his enthusiastic congregation. Then too, Obama's Catholic friend, and friend of Trinity United, Father Michael Pfleger, has been exposed as an anti-American, anti-white and anti-Semitic political activist who preaches a black supremacist version of Christian teaching to his enthusiastic congregation.
Obama's longstanding and deep connections to these spiritual mentors have placed him in a problematic position vis-à-vis the American electorate. To mitigate the damage, Obama's supporters have sought to counterbalance Wright with a conservative clergyman of equal weight in the Republican camp. And Hagee, with his avowedly anti-homosexual, anti-abortion views and public prominence was the chosen target.
THE FIRST Obama supporter to hone in on Hagee was Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union for Reform Judaism. Yoffie has long sought to discredit Hagee who he sees as a threat to his view that the only way to be pro-Israel is to support the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Hagee endorsed Republican John McCain for President in March. In early April, Yoffie called on McCain to reject Hagee's endorsement and he called on American Jews to reject CUFI, claiming that CUFI's unconditional support for Israel precluded its support for a Palestinian state.
In his words, "No, we cannot cooperate with Christian Zionists. What [Hagee and his allies] mean by 'support of Israel' and what we mean by 'support of Israel' are two very different things. Their vision of Israel rejects a two-state solution, rejects the possibility of a democratic Israel, and supports the permanent occupation of all Arab lands now controlled by Israel."
FOLLOWING YOFFIE's lead, Democratic activists desperate to find a Republican counterpart to Wright, focused their fire on Hagee. They attacked him for anti-homosexual remarks he has made. And they grossly distorted remarks he made on historical Christian anti-Semitism to portray him as an enemy of the Catholic church. Then too, they attacked him for a sermon he gave where he argued that the Holocaust was God's way of getting the Jews to Israel and so absurdly implied that a man who has devoted his professional life to improving Jewish-Christian relations, ending Evangelical Christian drives to convert Jews and supporting Israel is an anti-Semite.
The Democratic Jewish charge against Hagee compelled McCain to reject Hagee's endorsement, and so drove another wedge between McCain and the Republican voting Christian Right. It also successfully created an illusion of symmetry between Wright and Hagee.
This in and of itself is morally repugnant since there is no moral equivalence between Hagee and Wright. Hagee clearly loves America, doesn't have a problem with whites or blacks and loves Jews. Wright is a man defined by his hatreds.
But even more insidious than Hagee's forced estrangement from McCain is the effort to have him disowned by the American Jewish community and Israel. Yoffie, together with the pro-Palestinian Jewish American lobbying group J Street, have been pressuring Jewish leaders to distance their organizations from Hagee and CUFI and to boycott CUFI's annual conference in Washington next month. Not surprisingly, Foxman answered their call by announcing that he was placing the ADL's relations with CUFI "on hold." And no doubt bowing to their pressure, AIPAC neglected to invite Hagee to its policy conference this week.
As for Israel, just as Yoffie made his initial attack on Hagee, Hagee was setting out to Israel with a thousand CUFI members on a solidarity mission. He held a rally of his supporters at the Jerusalem Conference Center. There he distributed six million dollars in contributions from CUFI members to Israeli charities and educational institutions. No doubt in response to Yoffie's pressure, the only prominent Israeli politicians who attended the event were Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu and former Likud minister and MK Uzi Landau. No government minister attended and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sufficed with a private meeting with Hagee.
HAPPILY, NOT all American Jewish leaders have agreed to toe the line. Senator Joseph Lieberman has rejected demands by Yoffie and J Street to boycott CUFI's conference in Washington. The American Jewish Committee and the Zionist Organization of America have refused to distance themselves from Hagee. Israel and American Jewry should follow their example.
These are terrible times for world Jewry. Islamic Jew-hatred is genocidal. The international Left has betrayed us. Our leaders are weak. Our friends are few and far between.
If we wish to persevere in this environment we must embrace those who support us while eschewing those - even in our own ranks - who tell us that support for Israel is conditional. Now is not the time to quibble over Christian theology. Now is the time to stand united with our friends against our common enemies.
“FOLLOWING YOFFIE’s lead, Democratic activists desperate to find a Republican counterpart to Wright, focused their fire on Hagee. They attacked him for anti-homosexual remarks he has made. And they grossly distorted remarks he made on historical Christian anti-Semitism to portray him as an enemy of the Catholic church. Then too, they attacked him for a sermon he gave where he argued that the Holocaust was God’s way of getting the Jews to Israel and so absurdly implied that a man who has devoted his professional life to improving Jewish-Christian relations, ending Evangelical Christian drives to convert Jews and supporting Israel is an anti-Semite.
The Democratic Jewish charge against Hagee compelled McCain to reject Hagee’s endorsement, and so drove another wedge between McCain and the Republican voting Christian Right. It also successfully created an illusion of symmetry between Wright and Hagee.”
Yep. Even a lot of Freepers fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Hagee is not out-of-the-maistream. He is also not anti-Semite or anti-Catholic.
Heartfelt thanks to Ms. Glick from this Catholic for her understanding of this situation and to Benedict XVI for his understanding of it. The sooner that Ohlmert and his party depart permanenly from power in favor of Likud the better. The sooner that Ahmadinejad departs this earth the better.
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Hagee misrepresents who Christ is and what he came to do.
“It is finished.” ~ Christ
“It is not finished.” ~ Hagee
http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/jesus-did-not-come-to-be-the-messiah/
Excellent piece from Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post.
American jewish electoral behavior remains one of the most contradictory elements of politics. That should change for the better this year.
And kudos to Pope Benedict for telling Ahmadinejad to go shtt in his asshat.
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I hang my head and admit I was taken in by the Hagee-in-the-devil meme for awhile. I need to have it tattooed on my arm: Don't trust the EneMedia --- ever.
I’m a Catholic. I usually agree with the Catholic League, but I thought they overreacted to Hagee’s endorsement of McCain, and I thought Hagee’s apology was just fine. It was not weasel worded like most such apologies.
I don’t expect Baptist ministers to endorse the Catholic Church, although I hope we can work together on matters we agree on, such as the right to life. Hagee fell for the liberal Jewish line that Pius XII and the papacy are enemies of Israel, but he corrected himself, which is more than you can say about the usual leftist suspects who spread these lies.
As for Benedict XVI, maybe they should elect him President of Israel, because he sure understands the politics of the situation better than “Olmert-Livni-Barack-Yishai.”
“It is finished.” ~ Christ
“It is not finished.” ~ Hagee
Yah'shua has paid for our sins Soon He will return to rule and reign on the throne of King David tetelestai => "It is paid for"
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
from Jerusalem as the "anointed one"
John Hagee doesn't even proselytize Jews. This was supposed to be the one big issue with chr*stian Zionists. But that wasn't good enough for Jewish liberals. Jewish liberals even discovered a previously very well hidden love for the Catholic Church in order to bash him.
Jewish liberals hate Hagee and (to a lesser degree) other chr*stian Zionists because the still see Jews as Biblical Israelites rather than as left wing free-thinking dissidents to chr*stianity whose persecution is the number one historical reason for "tolerance," "pluralism," and "multiculturalism." This is why there has been such a massive campaign to destroy the memory of Sinai (whose 3320th anniversary is next week) and replace it with Auschwitz, even to the point of criminalizing disbelief in it (and it is only fundamental religious truths whose denial is criminalized).
Hagee, chr*stian Zionists, Noachides, and (please G-d) Orthodox Jews still define Jewishness by the original Torah standards and see history as moving to a pre-destined end under G-d's guidance to the Kingdom of G-d on earth when there will be no need for secular democracy or "freedom of religion" because all false religions will have been forsaken for the glorious and obvious Truth. The "liberal Zionist" vision of Israel as a secular democratic state born out of persecution by "religious fanatics" and whose number one goal is voting rights for Arab women is absolutely pathetic in comparison.
Let it be noted that, while he believes J*sus is the Jewish messiah, Hagee has actually been attacked as a heretic by other chr*stians (including here at FR) because he believes there is no official "messiah" until all the Davidic prophecies have been fulfilled (in comparison to traditional chr*stianity, which holds that all messianic prophecies were fulfilled two thousand years ago in a "spiritual" (non-literal) manner. But liberal Jews don't simply object to J*sus as a messiah--they reject the very idea of a real Davidic messiah who rules the world and compels all peoples to forsake false "gxds" for the True One. They have twisted the meaning of Jewishness to make it seem that Judaism's very quintessence is the freedom to practice idolatry and atheism.
No wonder "liberal Zionists" hate Hagee, chr*stian Zionists, and Noachides. We know Israel's true identity and it ain't Einstein. It's more like Caleb the Theocratic Warrior-Goatherd!
Shame on AIPAC but they're a bunch of liberal Democrat lap dogs anyway.
FR is full of people who absolutely hate and detest all white Southern Fundamentalist Protestants (every bit as much as Obama does), and they stick their ugly faces out to illustrate it every so often.
There were numerous comparisons of Rev. Hagee and his son to "wallowing pigs" that I alone seemed to challenge that which were never apologized for. Even among conservatives rural Southern white Fundamentalist Protestants are the one unprotected ethno-cultural group that may be pummeled without mercy.
Spot on Hagee from Caroline Glick
The polls say that 60+ percent of Jews are supporting Obama. That’s the Yoffie contingent who think the real meaning of Jewish is vote left and beware of Christians.
I hang my head and admit I was taken in by the Hagee-in-the-devil meme for awhile. I need to have it tattooed on my arm: Don't trust the EneMedia --- ever.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for that bit of repentance--the only one I am aware of.
As I said on my previous post, the idea that rural white Southern Fundamentalist Protestants are sub-human savages who peel the skins off everyone "not like them" before they "hang them on lampposts" is a d@mned lie by hypocrites who wring their hands over the way the coastal elites used to depict the Indians. How ironic--the same coastal elites who were afraid to venture inland for fear of "the merciless redskin savage" have simply replaced him with the evil, violent redneck.
If you have ever seen that one notorious episode of "The X-Files" (which would never have been written about members of any other group) then you surely understand the hypocrisy and cruelty of anti-rural Southern WASF prejudice. If you've ever seen the ep and still don't understand then there's no hope for you.
Rural Southern WASF's may be unprotected in the outside world but there is simply no excuse for the kind of abuse they were subject to during the Hagee flap. I make myself a promise (beli neder) to try to get such bigots banned from now on, because they're no different from any other kind of bigot. It may not work that way in the outside world, but it sure as blazes should work that way on a conservative forum!!!
FYI, The Catholic League accepted Hagee’s apology for his past statements about the Catholic Church. According to Bill Donohue of the CL, the issue is over with.
McCain is weak kneed jello - man, he needs to have someone examine his head for any tell tale signs of a brain.
Yep. Even a lot of Freepers fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Hagee is not out-of-the-maistream. He is also not anti-Semite or anti-Catholic.
Yes, you are absolutely right on that..
Shame, shame! on the leftists, just throw Israel under the bus.
Hagee has a love for Israel hardly seen by most Jews on the left! There should never be a two state solution, the Pali's need to go back to the countries that threw them out in the first place!
Shalom! I for one am a Southerner, and a Jew, and a personal friend of Pastor Hagee. He once told me it is of no value to proselytize to the Jewish people and that is not his duty, that his duty and love is to take care of Israel with all his being. He is as dedicated to the preservation and well being of the Jews of the Home Land as any one on the planet. He is sincere as the day is long! G_D Bless you for your trust and kind words, I do believe he reads these threads.
Dee
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Barukh HaShem, and thank you!
Yes, Donoghue is always very decent about accepting apologies. But in the end he was played for a bit of a sucker by the lying leftists, because they took his original complaint, ran with it, and maybe caused McCain some future trouble with Evangelicals for picking Hagee as as a religion adviser and then dropping him under pressure.
It’s ironic, in a way, because McCain attacked Bush in the 2000 campaign for visiting Bob Jones University, and made a big issue out of it.
After seeing that exchange, I would add a thought I had earlier, while reading the article—that Pope Benedict doesn’t really expect thanks, either. Of course he would welcome it, and welcome better relations, but he’s just doing what he thinks is right.
I assume you mean for Obama vs. McCain. I saw that poll. It was conducted by Gallup using a methodology that, as usual, causes inflation of the Democrat percentage. Furthermore, the poll was a couple of months ago, and more ugly stuff about Obama has come out since then.
When November rolls around - assuming it's Obama vs. McCain, look for McCain to get a minimum of 40% of the Jewish vote. It could go considerably higher.
Agreed.
1. It’s a shame that even AIPAC is shunning Hagee. That is sad and they know better.
2. McCain is on the road to at least Reagan’s numbers in the Jewish community. That’s very good.
3. Where is the love for Lieberman? Why hasn’t he been asked to speak at the convention yet?
I hope we see historic numbers for Jews for McCain. But have you seen the names of the leading lights in his campaign? And he knows the importance of the Jewish vote especially in Florida, Penn and NJ. Expect major BS and suck up to come.
On AIPAC and Hagee, is it certain that he was excluded or did they just pick different speakers this year? I did not follow this issue. If they really excluded him they are not only shameful but stupid.
Although I'm not Catholic, I am awed at the process, signaled by the White smoke, that brings to leadership the right man for the time. I am enthralled with Pope Benedict XVI.
Correction: it isn't a Baptist Church, but a United Church of Christ congregation.
Well, as a Catholic I must say that what he has said about the Catholic Church is not much different than what one hears from Liberals. If he is anti-Catholic, he is pretty much in the mainstream of opinion. As to his comments about the Holocaust, what he said is consistent with the Prophets who saw Nebuchanezzar as the instrument of God.
On the day of John Paul’s funeral, he was a man on fire. This meek, modest little professor seemed six feet tall before the throng of people. I think the cardinals got the same message. At the same time, they knew they were getting someone as wise as the serpent, as well as as simple as the dove. He is not one to bang heads, but he gets his way. I pray that he can stay with us for at least another five years.
I think if you read the full context of his quotes, you might think otherwise.
Soundbites and one-liners are the media’s favorite methods of distortion.
This week in Washington, DC, AIPAC is hosting its annual policy conference. It will be an illustrious affair. Heavy-hitters from both American political parties will be in attendance, as will scholars and activists from Israel and the US. But one name is noticeably absent from the three-day program. John Hagee - who in three years has transformed CUFI into a grassroots pro-Israel movement that dwarfs AIPAC in size - is not on the program. And this is a horrible thing.
AIPAC's decision to shun Hagee says something terrible about the state of American Jewish politics today. Quite simply, Hagee has become a victim of liberal American Jewish leaders' decision to place their leftist political preferences above their concern for Israel's survival and for the well-being of American Jewry.
Yes I read “shun” in the article, but wondered if there was anything more than he was omitted. Of course it is awkward now that McCain has denounced him.
Also, David Brog, Exec Director of CUFI (Christians United for Israel, Hagee’s org) will be speaking.
Hagee earned his own history. None gave it to him. His own acts and deeds will be remembered. I stop here and do not record my own reflections on him.
But, Caroline Glick is right and by attempting this smear of a truely good man, Yoffee has only humiliated himself.
Hagee is pursuing the right course, just keep slugging at it.. keep doing as best he can and wait out his detractors. By going to Catholic League and securing their acceptance of his apologies and that the basic points he makes about Catholic anti-semitism are generally accepted as part of the past of the Catholic Church. That these practices and behaviors are part of the past and not something to repeat in the future. Hagee goes after Martin Luther just the same.. recounting history, not Judging other faiths in their message of today except as how they behave.
Caroline Glick is also dead on the money about Pope Benedict, we are blessed with much in that in this time of outright assault bridges are being put into place so that Christians and Jews may recognize that we share much more than we disagree about.
Ultimately, Yoffee will have to answer for his embrace of the Islamists. There are good people who believe this is the way toward peace, but Olmert and his crew have just about proved that this was just a fantasy.
American Jews are blessed to have Rev. Hagee teaching and creating a possible world where Secularism isn't the only answer for Jews to feel safe. Secularism has been a scourge for the Jewish community just the same as it has for the Christian community and the country as a whole.
We need to have a Secular government so that it may be neutral to faith, but our society needs to get back to honoring God, acknowledging faith and patriotism as positive values, and insisting on morality based on the Judeo-Christian value system rather than the creeping moral relativism of the porn culture that is destroying our very way of life.
Amen and right on, BlackElk!
Caroline Glick is one of my favorites!
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the global food crisis (which has been caused by the rise in oil prices that Ahmadinejad is so pleased to have had a role in fomenting)It's nice to see that stated in an article. The fact that it doesn't get stated in most articles about the food crisis indicates just how cowed and intimidated western media is. Thanks C from E.
Honestly, Hagee has said some very mean things about the Catholic church over the years. I was very surprised and impressed that he apologised! It was great. I don’t think he says anything that he doesn’t mean.
I like Hagee. Anybody who can stand still and quote scripture at a guy who is shooting him, is living right!
That’s right. A wacko came in Hagee’s church, walked up the isle, and stood just a few feet away from him, with a gun, and told him, “the Devil is stronger that Jesus, and at the count of three, I am gonna shoot you, preacher!” He lied. He started shooting after 2. He shot all the bullets in his gun. But, not one of them hit Hagee, nor anyone else!
Next, a person sent Hagee a bomb. It blew up in the post office. Weird thing was, that the post office had been confiscating Hagee’s Ministry mailers. He was told that they were not religious enough, to recieve the charity mailing discount churches are granted. (Hagee sued and won, btw) Weird the way things work out...
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