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Children of older fathers have greater risk of early death
Modern Conservative ^ | June 02, 2008

Posted on 06/02/2008 6:52:36 PM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

Children of older fathers have greater risk of early death

Men, listen up. No longer can you comfort yourselves with the notion that you can father a child at any time...

Children of older fathers more 'likely to die early':

LONDON: When it comes to fertility and the prospect of having babies, it has always been assumed that men have no biological clock — unlike women, they can father a child late in their life. But a study has dispelled this myth.

Researchers in Europe have found that children are almost twice as likely to die before adulthood if they have a father over the age of 45 years, a key finding they claim is linked to the declining quality of sperm as men age.



Scientists reveal dangers of older fathers

Scientists believe that children of older fathers are more likely to suffer particular congenital defects as well as autism, schizophrenia and epilepsy. The study was the first of its kind of such magnitude in the West, and researchers believe the findings are linked to the declining quality of sperm as men age.


No more waiting and waiting, assuming that at age 43, you can marry a 28-year-old hottie who will bear you many strong sons.

No more cult of perpetual youth (as was so evident in my erstwhile town of Los Angeles).

Western civilization is facing a serious demographic crisis. For the Love of crumbcake, be fruitful and multiply!

My wife and are are half-guilty of this ourselves. We met in our late 30s, and we've managed one child. Unfortunately, certain circumstances have made it so that we can't have any more. This means we failed in our responsibility to replace ourselves.

Don't make our mistake. Make babies now!



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aging; biologicalclock; children; fathers; fertility; genx; health

1 posted on 06/02/2008 6:52:37 PM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

My father just turned 81. Should I be worried?

-Concerned in Dallas


2 posted on 06/02/2008 6:58:46 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Why do I need to when Jorge the illegal will have my 2 and 6 more as well!


3 posted on 06/02/2008 7:00:23 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: DallasMike

My father was 42 when I was born. h e proceeded to have 8 more children. One has already passed when she was 2.

I am pretty healthy, no prescriptions and plan on living a long darn time....


4 posted on 06/02/2008 7:00:45 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

What a load of hooey


5 posted on 06/02/2008 7:00:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Total load of hoey.


6 posted on 06/02/2008 7:02:30 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

what utter bullshite....more psuedo science to make women feel better in areas of biology where they are lacking

it will be feminism that brings human cloning....for that reason.


7 posted on 06/02/2008 7:02:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama?...........you actually deserve to be referred to as "boy")
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To: DallasMike

Mine dad’s creepin’ up on 89!

I guess I’ll go out and buy me a casket and plan for my tombstone.


8 posted on 06/02/2008 7:03:03 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: DallasMike
My father just turned 81. Should I be worried?
 
-Concerned in Dallas

Only if you start hearing him sing, "VIVA VIAGRA!"

9 posted on 06/02/2008 7:03:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
What a bunch of manure.

I know plenty of guys with older fathers
None of them are any different than anyone else

10 posted on 06/02/2008 7:03:47 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: wardaddy

LACKING???

I thought menopause was just the start of a VACATION for the rest of my life!!!

No “lack” there!!!

It’s a gift from God!!!


11 posted on 06/02/2008 7:04:46 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Then I should be OK. My parents were 21 when I was born.

I’ve never been sick (aside from the usual colds and occassional muscle aches) a day in my life. Never spent a night in a hospital.

See what plenty of bacon, grilled red meat, cheese, butter, the occassional vegetable and some fruit and good wine will do for you.


12 posted on 06/02/2008 7:05:53 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Though the study methodology may be flawed as most of these things are. It does make sense. Fertility does decline and chances for miscarriage and congenital defects increase with age. Genetic damage does occur. I can hear the reverberations of this study now suggesting that there may even be an imperative why older males are attracted to younger females outside of the obvious things like full bosoms and limber bodies. The men are just seeking better genetic potential given their genetic disadvantage. I suggest that the researchers should do themselves a favor and apply for a grant to study old men who chase young fertile women.lol


13 posted on 06/02/2008 7:06:21 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Children are only a burden to those who can not give up their own childishness)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Oh Boy!


14 posted on 06/02/2008 7:09:57 PM PDT by BBell
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I guess somebody (me) better tell my husband and our daughter.

His dad was over 40 when he was born and he was over 40 when our daughter was born.

And I was no young chick when our daughter was born — I was 2 months shy of 38.


15 posted on 06/02/2008 7:12:53 PM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

This is a stupid study. The conclusion is based on the assumption that the kind of men who marry women of child-bearing age when they are older are otherwise the same than the men who marry young, or older men who marry women past child-bearing years.

The study would have to be filtered for behavioral issues. Was the guy a “swinger” (more STDs) or did he marry a younger woman after a first marriage?

Since suicide is one of the top causes of adolescent death (followed by drunk driving and accidental drug OD), it wouldn’t take much of a self-centered behavior difference that could account for a “doubling” of deaths. (Was the man in question an over-achiever who demanded perfection, or simply a workaholic who wasn’t around? In either case, the deficiencies have nothing to do with biology, but behaviour.


16 posted on 06/02/2008 7:21:08 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I don’t believe it, but I had a friend once tell me about how Ted Williams sired a son with “old sperm” and then (my friend not Ted) went on a little rant about it.

Curiously the son of Teddy(’s bad sperm) (who wanted to freeze Ted Williams body parts and preserve them in in outer space) died shortly after that conversation.


17 posted on 06/02/2008 7:22:29 PM PDT by Radix (Think it is bad now? Wait until you have to press "2" for English!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

My best friend in high school was the oldest of four kids. When the youngest graduated, darn if the parents didn’t start up the baby factory and have three more. Mom and Dad were 50 when they finally packed it in. My friend has siblings considerably younger than some of his own kids.

I don’t recommend this approach, but there doesn’t seem to be any great difference between the two batches of kids.

Of course they started really young.


18 posted on 06/02/2008 7:22:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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19 posted on 06/02/2008 7:26:02 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
More Feminist propaganda BS crap.
No doubt that this study could have been paid for by a feminist linked group.
20 posted on 06/02/2008 7:28:54 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Gee, so does this mean I should have gotten knocked up in my teens rather than wait until I was married, financially solvent and emotionally mature? And here I thought I was being responsible by waiting until I was 35 to become a parent.

Come to think of it, my dad was 52 when I was born. I'll be 40 this September, guess I better get my affairs in order...Shame... I would have liked to have seen Montana.

21 posted on 06/02/2008 7:30:48 PM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Undead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Older I get, the closer they get. I will take that to the grave. They will carry me. Fair enough.

TAG! YOU'RE IT!

Ya gotta love family. They're the only ones within sniping distance.....

/johnny

22 posted on 06/02/2008 7:34:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Don't make our mistake. Make babies now!

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23 posted on 06/02/2008 7:38:44 PM PDT by retrokitten (Never let someone be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I have never admired a man near or at Grandpa age deliberately fathering a child - because it is very very likely he will not be a father to a child.

I think fathers are indispensable. So I’m not coming from a feminist baloney perspective.

We have no guarantees in this life, but, if you are 70, it would be really strange if you are up for parenting a teen once you are 85, if you are even still alive. I know it’s possible, but the odds are huge against you.

Also it’s highly likely that the baby has no living grandparents. While not as indispensable, they are very valuable in many ways.

The child is almost certain of having a totally abnormal family life from the beginning. A lonely one, too.

I wouldn’t put a baby in a hang glider. I wouldn’t attempt to start a new life when I am 70 either. Sure, the baby MIGHT be ok, but why play with a human life so coldly?


24 posted on 06/02/2008 7:45:56 PM PDT by Marie2 (I don’t want to give up eating all I want because of a failed hypothesis, said Robinson)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I would say that having an older father is better than having no father at all.


25 posted on 06/02/2008 7:47:27 PM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

“Don’t make our mistake. Make babies now.”

My wife is almost 60 and I’m 63 and she is having a hard time getting pregnant at this time but with your good wishes, I will just keep trying.


26 posted on 06/02/2008 7:49:47 PM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Children of older fathers...

My father is older than me, so I guess I'm in trouble.

-PJ

27 posted on 06/02/2008 7:49:55 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: wardaddy

“it will be feminism that brings human cloning”

As long as they don’t clone the feminists. We have too many of them now, and they’ve done way too much damage to American society.


28 posted on 06/02/2008 7:51:35 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

One study does not make a myth out of the previously held concept nor does it disprove anything. Repeatable and independent large scale studies that show the same results might but one study is no more scientific than global warming.


29 posted on 06/02/2008 7:52:41 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: svxdave
Practice makes perfect. First... coat the doorknob with axle grease.... to keep the kids out. Second. Lose the phone. Get a labrador. They WILL eat phones.

Third.... PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!

The world needs more tricycle motors.

Ensure and vitamin B helps me....

/johnny

30 posted on 06/02/2008 7:53:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Sherman Logan

My best friends family is like that. Her parents had 4 older kids, and then 3 younger ones. Her mom couldn’t go to one of her daughter’s wedding because the mom was pregnant with my best friend.

I will say that the whole family is very smart, and didn’t have any problems.

I’m curious as to why there are so many children with autism now, and I do wonder about older parents having something to do with it. Maybe some of the parents of autistic kids could chime in on this one. I’m sure they’d have a better opinion about the matter.


31 posted on 06/02/2008 7:54:08 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

More money wasted on grants that should never have been granted.


32 posted on 06/02/2008 7:54:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Women are born with the only set of eggs they will ever have. Yes, age is going to make a difference in the viability of eggs and the children produced from them. Men produce new sperm all of the time which should not be affected by age if the man is healthy.


33 posted on 06/02/2008 7:55:28 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

“Children of older fathers have greater risk of early death”

My “Bio-Dad” was 18. Dammit I’m gonna live to 90 unless Jesus comes back first.

Any time now Lord, any time now.


34 posted on 06/02/2008 8:02:24 PM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

phew. my father was 40 when I was born. just missed it. means Im safe.


35 posted on 06/02/2008 8:26:55 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: HungarianGypsy

If you made it to adult hood then you are safe. This article is talking about men over 45 that have kids. They supposedly have a double chance of not making it to adulthood than those born to younger dads. What they failed to take into account is the age of the mother when the kid was born which could have a lot to do with this as well. As matter of fact, the age of the mother probably has much more to do with this than the age of the father. So unless all these men had kids with women in their 20s then this study is piratically meaningless.


36 posted on 06/02/2008 8:35:43 PM PDT by apt4truth
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To: bannie
"I thought menopause was just the start of a VACATION for the rest of my life!!!"

And just think, you can have a complete change of climate without even leaving town!
LOL!

37 posted on 06/02/2008 9:01:53 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob

Heck, I’ve had nothin’ but a cool ride!!! I should’a done it sooner! (Fat old chicks have an easier time of it!)

8(:-D


38 posted on 06/02/2008 9:04:20 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: bannie

Well good for you!

Meanwhile, I’m sitting here looking at my sleeping 11-year-old son as I type this, and thinking about getting together with my other son, R.Jr., and his boys. R. Jr. is 39; both of my boys seem pretty healthy to me!


39 posted on 06/02/2008 9:09:34 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob

It’s a buncha’ bunk.

Daddys can be any age. Just as long as they’re there during the important years. 90 might be a little late.

ENJOY!!!


40 posted on 06/02/2008 9:11:58 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: Maelstorm
there may even be an imperative why older males are attracted to younger females outside of the obvious things like full bosoms and limber bodies

Yeah, right!

41 posted on 06/02/2008 10:34:41 PM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional; MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside; Rb ver. 2.0; lesser_satan; ...

***declining quality of sperm as men age***

DOCTOR: Ummm... Are you planning to start a family?

KRAMER: Yes! I would like to very much!... Well, I’m low, aren’t I? I ca—I can feel it!...

DOCTOR: Yes, I’m afraid you’re a little low.

KRAMER: Ohhh, maaan!! It’s over! The Kramer name is finished! I’m never goin’ to procreate—


42 posted on 06/02/2008 11:05:34 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: RJS1950

I think they go stale after a while. How in the world can they grow new healthy sperm when they can’t grow hair?


43 posted on 06/02/2008 11:32:13 PM PDT by TNdandelion ("I'm down to my last toilet paper tube!")
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

My father was fifty when I, his only child was born. Sadly, he died nine years later, but I’m still here.


44 posted on 06/03/2008 3:03:08 AM PDT by Mila
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To: svxdave

“but with your good wishes, I will just keep trying.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Iam 64 and my wife is 56, I try every chance I get 80)


45 posted on 06/03/2008 5:22:14 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: TNdandelion

They can’t go stale, they are cycled out of your system with or without any action on your part. Hair? Are you kidding? I was balding in my 20s and had three healthy kids and I know others who were completely bald in their 20s who had 4 or more healthy kids. Maybe if you are bald below the waist, but then that indicates a hormonal problem, not an age problem.


46 posted on 06/03/2008 7:16:02 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

The Eugenicists never tire of promoting an improved biological product. Those mothers over 35 and those under 19 have been severely discouraged (NOT) so they turn to the fathers.


47 posted on 06/03/2008 7:20:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: ChicagahAl

the fembots would love to clone to alleviate a need for men

they hate us because they can’t be us


48 posted on 06/03/2008 9:55:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama?...........you actually deserve to be referred to as "boy")
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To: DallasMike

This comment was BRILLIANT.


49 posted on 06/03/2008 9:58:07 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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