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Coal in Your Car’s Tank
The New American ^ | June 9, 2008 | Ed Hiserodt

Posted on 06/03/2008 3:11:10 PM PDT by K-oneTexas

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To: IrishCatholic

Bookmark also.


21 posted on 06/03/2008 3:52:18 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: Yo-Yo

Reason for Hitler shifting the main thrust of Barbarossa away from Moscow and toward Stalingrad was his desire to break through and seize the Baku oilfields. Didn’t make it, needless to say.


22 posted on 06/03/2008 3:57:37 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: steelyourfaith

You learn something new everyday.

Today was a good one.


23 posted on 06/03/2008 3:59:26 PM PDT by JimBianchi11 (The 2A is the cornerstone of our free society. Those that don't openly support it, oppose it.)
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To: elcid1970
I’ve heard of a WWII “wood-burning Mercedes” and I believe the German term for it is “Holzgas-Generator”. Saw a photo of a Volkswagen equipped with this device.

That's a completely different (and completely impractical, and completely uneconomic) technology. I remember (years ago) Mother Earth News publishing an article about a truck making a cross-country trip, fueled (IIRC) by carbon monoxide derived from burning wood. So what? You could probably get a truck from coast to coast, pushed by 'Sports Illustrated' readers, if you had enough pull. Would that provide any benefit whatsoever to an average (like me) American? No. Period. End of story (in the real world, that is, not the D@mocrat world). And that is exactly what most D@mocrat proposals amount to - all fluff, and absolutely no real substance...

24 posted on 06/03/2008 3:59:49 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: rahbert
thought Rommel was in Africa in order to seal off the British Empah via the Suez Canal.

Yes, but oil also played a major part in why the British were in North Africa in the first place.

Battlefield North Africa: Rommel's Rise And Fall

"The battle for North Africa was a struggle for control of the Suez Canal and access to oil from the Middle East and raw materials from Asia. Oil in particular had become a critical strategic commodity due to the increased mechanization of modern armies. Britain, which was the first major nation to field a completely mechanized army, was particularly dependent on the Middle Eastern oil. The Suez Canal also provided Britain with a valuable link to her overseas dominions -- part of a lifeline that ran through the Mediterranean Sea. Thus, the North African campaign and the naval campaign for the Mediterranean were extensions of each other in a very real sense."

25 posted on 06/03/2008 4:02:08 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Chode

26 posted on 06/03/2008 4:03:30 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Who is John Galt?
If the environmentalists and liberals want us out of the Middle East and off oil dependency, then they shouldn't stand in the way when an alternative technology like this is developed, but which doesn't fit their 'pictures' exactly. I think coal-to-oil is fascinating and would work, at least in the short-term (50 years). We are not going to have solar or electric cars and the system to support them overnight. We have to live in reality and work with what we have now.

The American people need to grow a spine and just tell these troublemakers to shut up or come up with a workable, viable solution. So far, I haven't seen them doing anything but complain. They even have issues with solar power because of global warming. Give me a break.

27 posted on 06/03/2008 4:17:17 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: K-oneTexas
One last tidbit: based on what I've read, CTL would fly at only ~$45.00 per barrel.

FACT: oil has been selling for more than $45 per can for quite some time.

FACT: we have more coal than we know what to do with.

FACT: the D@mocrats have been forcing you to pay extra for your gasoline, every single day of the week, ever since oil hit ~$50 per can (do you even remember when it was that cheap?).

Congratulations!

I literally LAUGH every time the price of gasoline goes up, because I know for a fact that cheap energy is still out there, it is still available today, and the folks who 'qualify' as American voters doen't want to hear it. (I don't make a penny off it, but I still laugh... ;>)

LMAO!!!

28 posted on 06/03/2008 4:30:59 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: K-oneTexas

Fairbanks Alaska is doing a $1 million study on the feasibility of coal to fuel conversion here.


29 posted on 06/03/2008 4:33:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: K-oneTexas
My Energy Manifesto:

* Cease all ethanol production. It takes away from food production and the unintended consequence is higher food costs. As diesel prices go up, the cost of farming tips the balance of cost to make ethanol a bad idea. Just say "no" to ethanol! Even Jimmy Carter says that diverting farm production from food to fuel is dumb – even HE gets it.

* Immediately create only ONE "blend" of gasoline and cease regional "boutique" blends which are stupid, costly, and meaningless. Even if this is the "cleanest" blend, just make it ONE and be done with it. Trucking custom blends around the country is wasteful.

* Lift the restrictions in order to drill for oil in Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, and other sites in the CONUS as a matter of national security.

* Encourage the petro industry to construct state-of-the-art refineries and/or retrofit current and dormant ones and crank up production for our newly-accessed oil in the CONUS.

* Make all “carbon credit” scams unlawful. Discrediting Algore should have been a slam-dunk a long time ago. Stop electing Reps who buy into the Global Warming / Global Cooling / Climate Change Hoax. CO2 is not our enemy!

* Construct SEVERAL, regional Pebble-Bed Modular Reactors (or other similar modern designs) that are not considered "breeders", are rechargeable, and cleaner than any current nuclear generator design. Breeders are OK, but PBMR's are better. DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR to resolve energy problems.

* Use the residual heat from the reactors above to process motor fuel from coal and/or shale. Even though Clinton "stole" some of the best coal reserves, we still have a lot to use.

* Become independent enough to make the cartels (i.e. OPEC) inconsequential.

* Convince local taxing bodies to lift or cap the sales tax on gasoline so that as gas prices go up, the local tax collectors don’t see a windfall revenue jump at the expense of the consumer. The Federal government could compel the states (and locals) to cap the fuel taxes.

If you squint real hard, and read between the lines, the ‘manifesto’ will require the dismissal of all RINOs and LibDems and the election of some clear-minded conservatives to even consider any of the above.

30 posted on 06/03/2008 4:58:02 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: K-oneTexas

bump, BTTT, and bookmark.

IF...IF... we’re going to go down the road of government involvement in the energy market, we’d be far better off giving the money in research grants to find new alternative sources and production processes than boxing ourselves in with nonsense like ethanol and wind power.


31 posted on 06/03/2008 5:00:58 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: K-oneTexas
The efficiency figures in the article are a bit misleading. The energy from the nuclear reactor will not go into a Carnot Cycle engine, hence has a theoretical limit of full 100% conversion into chemical energy stored in the fuel (in practice there will be losses). However, the auto or truck engine using the resulting liquid fuel will have the same efficiency as current auto and truck engines, of the order of 30%. This isn't an argument against this process, just a caution that the numbers aren't as good as the article makes them look.

It has always struck me as inefficient to burn coal to power the conversion of coal to liquid fuel. You end up with far less than half the original coal energy in the liquid fuel itself. Even with energy from a nuclear reactor to drive the reaction, less than half the energy gets stored in the final product. However, using energy from a nuclear reactor, you don't produce any CO2 to get the energy to drive the reaction. That alone makes it worth trying.

32 posted on 06/03/2008 5:00:58 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: pray4liberty
So far, I haven't seen them doing anything but complain... Give me a break.

Ditto, in spades...

33 posted on 06/03/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Who is John Galt?

whatever happened to acid rain?


34 posted on 06/03/2008 5:39:42 PM PDT by Peelod (I do renounce Hillary! and all her pomps and works.)
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To: Peelod
whatever happened to acid rain?

In what way? Please be specific...

;>)

35 posted on 06/03/2008 5:42:22 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: K-oneTexas; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
We need to start building Pebble Bed Modular Reactors to produce heat and steam for making electricity, powering the coal for the Fischer-Tropsch process to produce fuel and the Bergius process for hydrogen as an future alternative and heat for desalination to take saltwater from the coasts of America and pump it inland as freshwater. That would make us truly independent from foreign oil and help solve the coming world wide water crisis.

However, I don't see this coming about in the few years I have left because the Liberal Democrats will never let it happen and I surely do not see it under the nObama regime.

36 posted on 06/03/2008 5:44:01 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: K-oneTexas

The German process was real and worked, although it was expensive.

South Africa use a similar process called SASSOL to make liquid fuels during the UN embargo over apartheid.

While the chemistry is apolitical, the opponents of even maintaining our lifestyle point to the non-PC nature of the previous users of the process to discredit it.

While I usually dislike government intervention, one of the ideas I really like is a US Government price support of liquid fuels at an equivalent of $100/barrel of oil. Essentially a variable tax on lower production cost fuels. One of the big drawbacks to investment in alternative energy sources is that if the price of oil goes down, you lose all of your money. A government price support prevents that. Of course with the current oil price the tax would be zero.

Once we develop a liquid fuel technology other than oil, the economies of scale will eventually reduce the price significantly.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful for the US to lead the world in alternative fuel production? We could be selling to other nations and collecting obscene profits instead of a bunch of camel-jamming muslims.


37 posted on 06/03/2008 5:52:56 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

http://fossil.energy.gov/news/techlines/2003/tl_liqphasemethanol_success.html

The DOE and Eastman have been working on this for at least 20 years.


38 posted on 06/03/2008 5:58:20 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: Bender2

Or we could all ride bicycles.


39 posted on 06/03/2008 5:59:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: Bender2

Let’s go drill for some of our own oil, instead of begging the world to drill for theirs.


40 posted on 06/04/2008 8:22:25 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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