Climate is right for another swindle

The Denver Post ^ | 06/02/2008 | David Harsanyi

[uglybiker]

First we had global cooling.

Then we had global warming.

Next up will be global stagnation!

[Delacon]

What’s your take on positive and negative feedbacks?

[Wolverine]

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Records show that Al and Tipper Gore paid a monthly gas-and-electric bill of $2,400 for their 20-room mansion and related buildings. That includes $500 a month for their poolhouse. Gore assuaged his guilt by buying "carbon offsets" to make up for his $30K annual energy tab.

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Yes, it's just... that... simple!

[palmer]

I think feedback is poorly studied besides models. For example the positive feedback of albedo decreases from melting snow is very local and can be easily overcome by increases in fresh snowfall. The positive feedback from methane from melting permafrost is another cited effect without much quantitative analysis on worldwide effects. Methane at the bottom of the ocean will take hundreds of years to do anything.

The biggy is water vapor, both as positive and negative feedback. The physicists tend to assume nice even increases in water vapor (constant RH) and a positive feedback. Reality is mixed, weather makes it difficult to analyze positive or negative. As for CO2 and warming, I believe CO2 increases with warming and vice versa, but that both positive feedbacks are smallish. Probably 1/3 or less of the current rise in CO2 might come from the warming from the solar max starting in the 40's. That CO2 causes a bit of further warming, not much. Man made CO2 causes a bit more warming, again not much. (but I digress, man-made CO2 is a forcing not a feedback). From this rambling I would conclude that feedback is much more important than CO2 forcing, hence the importance of models for water vapor feedback.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

So, naturally, proponents refer to the EU cap and trade scheme as a "test run" or a program only in its delicate "infancy." It just wasn't executed properly.

Isn't that how socialists normally think about their failures?

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If you have worked hard inproving your education to get that big job promotion and a transfer to another state, you will now not be able to transfer because you cannot sell your house nor afford to retrofit it to the moving standard of “energy efficiency”. Again—Good Luck.

Kalifornia will become a prison for some.

[webschooner]

I’ve heard that Johnny McCain is “in favor” of this bill, +++++++++++++++++++ I believe he is in favor. I can't verify that specifically but in most of his recent speeches he has certainly bought into the global warming crowd's panic. I hope it's just a shift to the middle rhetoric but am quite shocked listening to him on this.

Why are you shocked?? McLame is way beyond a RINO. He is a full-fledged Left-wing Liberal, and has been for some time.

I'll vote for the turd when Hell freezes over.