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Both parties duck on immigration
AP on Yahoo ^ | 6/08/08 | Julie Hirschfeld Davis - ap

Posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The tricky politics of immigration, an issue once seen as a driving force of the 2008 election, have relegated it to a back but hot burner in the presidential campaign debate and paralyzed Congress on the topic.

Both John McCain and Barack Obama support giving legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, a position that strategists see as crucial to winning over Hispanics. But Republican and Democratic candidates are also wary of alienating white conservatives and blacks who oppose granting legal status or benefits to people who broke the law to come to the United States.

The searing rhetoric from opponents who brand that idea as "amnesty" has made the topic virtually untouchable, according to strategists and lawmakers.

"Politicians from both parties are caught between Lou Dobbs voters and Latino voters. Presidential candidates will avoid this issue — both of them — and when they can't avoid it, they'll straddle," said Tamar Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA, a coalition pushing for an immigration overhaul. "It doesn't pay as an electoral issue."

The high-profile Dobbs is a CNN host who has used his early evening show as a platform to protest illegal immigration.

McCain and Obama have spoken of their support during the campaign for an immigration overhaul, but neither has made the issue a major part of his presidential bid. Each has reason to tread carefully.

McCain's position is a sore point between him and the conservative GOP base. He is caught between shoring up those core constituents and drawing support from Hispanics.

"He's trying to appeal to one group of voters that hates the other," said Cecilia Munoz of the National Council of La Raza.

Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio said it does not pay for McCain or GOP congressional candidates to highlight their party's rift on the issue. Those candidates lag far behind McCain in national polls that asking voters whether they support a Republican or Democrat for Congress.

"Why focus on what divides us?" Fabrizio said.

McCain sometimes has sent conflicting messages on immigration.

He hedged when asked whether, as president, he would sign legislation he helped write to legalize undocumented immigrants, and now says such action should only be taken after border security is strengthened. But he also publicly lamented the defeat of his measure, calling it "my failure, too."

For Obama, who is struggling to win over Latino voters, the predicament is less pronounced but no less puzzling. On immigration issues where he and McCain differ, Obama's views are out of synch with those of most voters, polls show.

Obama's support for giving drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants is a prime example; polls show that the public overwhelmingly opposes it. Obama also supports giving legal status to immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children and have completed two years of college or military service.

Democrats "do want to be out front on it, but they fear alienating those blue-collar, skeptical voters," Jacoby said.

Obama got a taste of that backlash recently. He drew heavy criticism in the blogosphere for suggesting that conservative cable TV hosts who routinely rail against illegal immigrants are partly to blame for an increase in hate crimes against Hispanic people.

"A certain segment has basically been feeding a kind of xenophobia," Obama said at a fundraiser in Palm Beach, Fla. "If you have people like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh ginning things up, it's not surprising that would happen."

The comment was a nod to a widespread feeling among Hispanic voters that bitter rhetoric against illegal immigrants is really veiled racism against U.S. citizens and legal residents who are Latino.

"The volatility of the issue discourages the national candidates from aggressively promoting the need for comprehensive immigration reform," said Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif. "When they're asked, they respond, but I've come to the conclusion that this campaign will not likely be a useful educational tool for demonstrating the compelling need for reform."

Candidates are finding other, less risky, ways to telegraph their sympathy for Hispanic voters.

McCain has a TV ad praising Hispanics' service in Vietnam and Iraq and saying that some "love this country so much that they're willing to risk their lives in its service in order to accelerate their path to citizenship." Obama spoke Spanish in an ad aired in Puerto Rico that focused on economic concerns.

In Congress, Democratic leaders are skittish about immigration votes. Instead, they are holding House hearings — but no votes — on a measure written by one of their more conservative members, Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina, to strengthen border security and crack down on employers who hire undocumented workers.

One Hispanic Democrat, Rep. Raul Grijalva of Arizona, said his leaders were being "spineless." Others argue that Republicans, who have made it a strategy to force politically painful immigration votes on unrelated bills, essentially have blackmailed Democrats into taking tougher stances on the issue.

In February, for example, Democrats joined Republicans to forbid illegal immigrants from getting an economic relief tax rebate.

More recently, Senate Democratic leaders were forced to pull provisions from an emergency Iraq spending bill that would have awarded work permits for immigrant farm and seasonal workers.

"Congressional Democrats are struggling to figure out whether they want to sound like Republicans-lite or whether they want to actually get out in front of the issue and lead," Munoz said.

Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., a supporter of a broad overhaul, said candidates in both parties face that dilemma.

"You have to ask yourself, `Do I want to really get out front on an issue that isn't really going anywhere and my opponent can demagogue it and misrepresent my position?'" Flake said. "If you're going to go out on a limb on something, there has to be a payoff, and on this, there just isn't."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; aliens; amnesty; duck; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; mccain; obama; parties
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1 posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Go ahead, boys. ...Just one more step closer to the revolution.


2 posted on 06/08/2008 10:29:07 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: NormsRevenge

Watch for Bush and the Senate to try to push amnesty through during some late night session near the end of the year when they think no one is paying attention.


3 posted on 06/08/2008 10:29:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t see this being an issue in this year’s election. It’s a damn shame but it does appear that “the voters” are going to let the polliticians and their toadies in the media get away with it. This should be issue number one. If the “global warmers” were serious about reducing this country’s “carbon footprint,” they could reduce it by 10% by sending the 30M illegal aliens home to their own countries.


4 posted on 06/08/2008 10:29:58 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s because both parties are against the majority of the American populace on immigration...


5 posted on 06/08/2008 10:30:15 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: NormsRevenge

McCain has the chance of picking up a lot of hispanic votes, as the dirty little secret of this election is that they are a lot more likely to vote against Obama because he’s black than whites are.

Coming out in favor of controlling the borders would lose him most of those votes. And, of course, he has a long record of opposition to border control.


6 posted on 06/08/2008 10:34:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: NormsRevenge

Neither one should be president.


7 posted on 06/08/2008 10:35:14 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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Both the numnuts running are for open borders and amnesty. Over 70% of Americans are for some kind of halt of illegal immigration. How did we end up with McSmamesty? I have never been so down in my life about voting. My party is running a candidate that hates all I and other conservatives stand for. I will vote for Bob Barr, yes I know that means Obarama, but the Republican Party must stand for something other than Duummocrat lite.
8 posted on 06/08/2008 10:36:04 AM PDT by bronxboy
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To: Tzimisce
Exactly, the moneyed political elites know what's best for the unwashed. They'll get to amnesty later on after the pesky election is over.
9 posted on 06/08/2008 10:36:10 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: NormsRevenge

Both parties duck on immigration...

both parties led by jorge bush want Amnesty.... rather than send all the ILLEGAL parasites home!!!


10 posted on 06/08/2008 10:38:26 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Ranger Drew
And to think we have paid these worthless politicians for over fifty years' worth of cowardice--and continue to. Please sign me up for the revolution that Jefferson insisted we must have every 20 years. We're long overdue . . . and assaults on our Constitution must end.

Regards . . . Penny


11 posted on 06/08/2008 10:40:45 AM PDT by Penny
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To: NormsRevenge

Another civil war is truly coming to the U.S. sometime in the future, thanks to amnesty for illegal immigrants being allowed to happen yet again.


12 posted on 06/08/2008 10:41:27 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let me fix the headline for you:

"Both parties SUCK on immigration."

13 posted on 06/08/2008 10:41:55 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Council on Foreign Relations has a solid grip on the political policies of this country. No one else need apply!


14 posted on 06/08/2008 10:49:31 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: nyyankeefan

Both parties duck on immigration...
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Yes, because they are more concerned about empowerment through the vote, than they are about America and the gross destruction they are doing with their support for illegals in this country....the list is too long to post here. In my entire voting life, I have never seen so much disgust and discontent with Washington and its HORRID performance on this and other issues.

Total malfeasance.


15 posted on 06/08/2008 10:50:41 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: NormsRevenge

Gutless wonders, the whole bunch of them. What ever happened to leadership?


17 posted on 06/08/2008 10:53:10 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The tricky politics of immigration,
There is nothing tricky about what the vast majority of American want concerning immigration.
1. Immigration is okay and we have a mirade of laws to control it and make it work
2. Illegal Immigration is a crime for which we have numerous and varied laws which can be used to deal with it.
3. Now deal with it. Enforce the laws you already passed before you thnk we are going to allow you to pass more laws on it.


18 posted on 06/08/2008 10:53:56 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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Well, he spouted a load of crap about "learning his lesson" in regards to amnesty for illegal aliens. The defeat of the amnesty bill was one of the biggest smackdown of politicians by the American public in history. But little Juan is right back on the side of the illegals AGAIN in his open support for amnesty.

After adjusting his immigration stance when his comprehensive immigration bill died last summer, John McCain, now with the Republican nomination in hand, has once again ruffled conservative feathers on the immigration issue by returning to the position that almost stopped his campaign dead in its tracks.

Mr. McCain joined California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger last week in supporting a "comprehensive" immigration plan that would address the problem "in a humane and compassionate fashion."

"Sen. [Edward] Kennedy and I tried very hard to get immigration reform, a comprehensive plan, through the Congress of the United States," Mr. McCain stated. "We must make it a top agenda item."

May 27, 2008


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19 posted on 06/08/2008 10:54:31 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: headstamp 2
Exactly, the moneyed political elites know what's best for the unwashed.

I wonder how many of the French aristocracy still believed that as they stood before Mme. Guillotine at the end of the 18th century. Civilization is a very thin veneer.

20 posted on 06/08/2008 11:03:39 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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