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Decision coming June 16, next big day in Haditha case
Defend Our Marines ^ | June 9, 2008 | Nathaniel R. Helms

Posted on 06/09/2008 6:32:39 PM PDT by RedRover

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To: RedRover
LOL. Good one.

If nothing else, put us on border patrol and plant grass. We're very good at keeping people off our lawn. We will have it secured the first night!

I could do that without weapons.....okay, maybe not on the border.
81 posted on 06/10/2008 7:35:11 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: bigheadfred
What are they protecting Helland from?

All I am suggesting is that some very high-up generals or civilians don't want Helland to be subject to what would be a very thorough cross examination.

If the prosecution doesn't call him, the case is pretty much over; if it isn't already. They don't want Chessani as much as they don't want the command influence exposed, where a lot of people would be subject to charges of malicious prosecution type offenses.

82 posted on 06/10/2008 8:31:36 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

As far as I am concerned, Barbara Eden’s been uncorked. The problem is that the percentage of people who actually give a crap is low, and the number of people who can actually do anything about it is even lower.

But hey, what do I care as long as the trains run on time?


83 posted on 06/10/2008 9:43:49 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: RedRover

LOL! That is great! Wish I had seen this before I tried to enlist 3.5 years ago. I needed a few more reasons to convince them I was a good recruit other than the old and cranky part! ;*)


84 posted on 06/10/2008 10:52:30 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: RedRover

MY, MY, MY!! Aren’t we getting up in the world! “Chicago” magazine - WOW!! I AM impressed! You definitely deserve recognition for all that you do!! Keep on going RIGHT TO THE TOP!


85 posted on 06/10/2008 11:29:44 PM PDT by Semper Fi Mom (Mother of a Marine and proud of it!)
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To: Just A Nobody; jazusamo

See, it’s now four in the morning on the east coast. I could be killing a terrorist right now.


86 posted on 06/11/2008 1:16:59 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
NewsMax has a different version (not as good) of this story....

I don't get it. The article in NewsMax makes it sound like the decision expected on June 16 on UCI has been indefinitely delayed along with Lt. Col. Chessani's court martial. This is a totally different piece in NewsMax. I guess we'll find out on June 16 what's up.
87 posted on 06/11/2008 3:04:21 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Semper Fi Mom

Sometimes it feels like there’s a couple hundred of us—maybe a couple thousand—who know the truth about Haditha. But by the time we’re done, I want EVERYONE to know. That’s the least we can do for Frank and his squadmates after everything they’ve been through.


88 posted on 06/11/2008 3:13:15 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Girlene

I found out what happened. Nat sent them a draft of this article, before he had all the info. They went ahead and ran it with their own headline. The version that ran in Defend Our Marines is the most complete and accurate.


89 posted on 06/11/2008 3:19:59 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

Got it.


90 posted on 06/11/2008 3:37:23 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: RedRover
LOL! You are doing your part...a very important part!
Have a great day!
91 posted on 06/11/2008 6:24:54 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: SeaHawkFan
...where a lot of people would be subject to charges of malicious prosecution type offenses.

Very interesting take on the Helland thing.
I may have missed some info, but I still think about the Winter, NCIS agents, staffers, critter chain.

92 posted on 06/11/2008 6:32:24 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Thanks for that, SHF. Interesting and a likely reason Gen. Helland wasn’t called. I would think it’s too late to call him on the point now, is that your take on it?


93 posted on 06/11/2008 8:05:47 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover; Just A Nobody

Cowabunga! You get up before the chickens, you could be the platoon sgt.


94 posted on 06/11/2008 8:10:26 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

Would being platoon sergeant get me out of doing a daily push-up? If so, sign me up!


95 posted on 06/11/2008 9:52:39 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Lancey Howard
"Congressman John Murtha went berserk and ambushed the infantrymen with a Time magazine." I like your version better.
96 posted on 06/11/2008 8:59:39 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Huah 4th BDE 25th INF)
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To: jude24
I've know a few JAG lawyers in my day, and by and large they were pretty decent, albeit with a rather elevated opinion of themselves. That being said, I have to conclude that there's an agenda driving these prosecutions.
Nevertheless, re the poster to whom you were responding, what is it they said in ancient Rome. Was it “Illegitimi non carborundum” or did I mangle it?
97 posted on 06/11/2008 9:08:28 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Huah 4th BDE 25th INF)
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To: 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ardara; ...
UPDATE FROM DEFEND OUR MARINES!

Decision delayed to June 17

Attorneys representing Marine Lt. Col Jeffrey Chessani will find out Tuesday June 17, 2008 at 9:00 am PST whether the presiding judge in the “Haditha Massacre” case will grant a defense motion to dismiss his charges because of undue command influence.

Originally, as we reported, the hearing was scheduled for three days, June 16–18. But the presiding judge, Col. Steven Folsom, USMC, has informed counsel that the hearing has been changed to only one hour on Tuesday. The only business the judge will address is his ruling on the defense motion to dismiss.

98 posted on 06/14/2008 5:13:17 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover; Girlene; jude24; Lancey Howard; P-Marlowe; Lady Jag; jazusamo; brityank

One hour instead of 3 days....how in the world do we interpret what that means?

It sounds like there’s no need for lengthy explanations or further fact finding.

It’s a cut and dried....dismissed/not dismissed.

Without Helland’s testimony, I don’t see how it could not be dismissed. I would dismiss it with prejudice since there is no place this officer can find an impartial jury.

One of the stunning questions by the prosecution in the Grayson case was asking the prospective jurors if they’d ever read “Nat Helms.” Never a word about having read Time, or heard any of the “Haditha Massacre teaching” that was forced on every Marine, or heard Murtha’s rant, or read of Haditha in the WP/NYT/LAT, etc.

Another stunning admission was Mattis saying that he never thought about “appearance” at all when he had Ewers (the potted plant) as the senior legal advisor in on dozens of Haditha staff meetings. “Appearance” of UCI is the issue.

I’m betting on dismissal with prejudice, but maybe I’m must being overly optimistic. (It would also give leftist Murtha a way out. He’d get to say, “Well they never got to have “the” trial because of legal technicalities in a bungled prosecution.”)


99 posted on 06/14/2008 5:56:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

Best guess, the judge will rule based on the briefs of counsel and the record before him. The oral arguments would therefore be merely for clarification.


100 posted on 06/14/2008 6:15:43 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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