The Buzz about Barack’s Birth Certificate

michellemalkin.com ^ | June 10, 2008 | Michelle Malkin

[Jeff Head]

If a baby is born outside of the United States to two American who are wed (at least that was the law at the time of Obama's birth and that law takes precedence) then that baby is automatically natural born (as long as one of those parents resided in the US for a year). That is why McCain is covered in any event, whether the US base is considered US soil or not.

But, if there is just one US citizen parent for the baby, then the rules that I quoted above for those born outside the United States apply and though the baby may become a "naturalized" citizen, they are not "natural (or native) born".

The only time this makes a difference is in running for President.

But those are the rules Obama and his mom had to abide by.

[jan in Colorado]

His election as president would be the greatest coup any enemy has ever scored against this country and could easily lead to the worst, horrific disaster in our nation's history.

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YOU NAILED IT Jeff!

[TigersEye]

No-one knew that Burr would put a cap in his ass.

Wasn't that before percussion caps were invented? So Aaron actually chipped a flint in his butt.

[ICU812]

The other issue is: what if he wasn't born in 1961, but was really born before August 21, 1959 - before statehood?

Since his mother was an American citizen(born in Kansas) it doesn't matter where he was born.
The most likely scenario is that the birth certificate has his name different than the one we know now

[malia]

Barack Hussein Obama, born in Hawaii, mother was a US citizen, her father served in WWII

John McCain was born out of the country, Panama Canal Zone, to American born parents, while his father was serving his country. McCain’s grandfather and father were Admirals in the United States Navy

Those are fact. There are many interesting ‘stories’ about the Obama family, like...

Barack’s father, on a scholarship, a JFK program 1961, gaving him chance to leave Kenya and attend U of HI.
Married Barack’s mother and had a (unknown) wife and son in Kenya.
Barack’s father also graduated from Harvard before returning to Kenya.
Barack spent a few years in Indonesia before returning, 10 years old, to HI and graduated from a college prep school, Punahou. Then on to Columbia U.

[beezdotcom]

Eh, I spoke too quickly:

Hawaii:

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

So, never mind...

[Jeff Head]

Between the dates of December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986, when one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.

Obama's mother had him when she was 18 and therefore did not meet that criteria if he was born outside the US.

[JRandomFreeper]

However it worked out, Alexander Hamilton quit espousing the "General Welfare" clause for all kinds of feralFederal government action, and that was a good thing.

I really don't want another islander like Hamilton (big government is good concept) in any kind of position in the government today

/johnny

[Yaelle]

I was very general. But unbeknownst to me when I stated that, someone posted post 122 - see it. I had a baby outside the USA and he met all the requirements to be a US citizen at birth and could run for Prez, though I do pray he doesn’t (LOL).

But post 122 may be the constitutional requirements that perhaps Barack’s mother did not meet? (I don’t know what her age was nor how long she’d been out of the country.)

[ravingnutter]

My best guess is that his parents were not legally married.

That is a given and is public knowledge, his father was still married to his first wife when he married Obama's mother, therefore their marriage would not be valid.

Obama Sr moved to Nairobi, where he took a correspondence course to complete his schooling, studying at night while working as an office clerk by day. He wrote to dozens of US universities. The University of Hawaii replied, offering him a scholarship. Leaving behind his infant son, Roy, and his young wife, Kezia, who was pregnant with their daughter, Auma, he flew to America.

Being the university's first African student did not discourage him. He graduated top of his economics class. He married a white student from Kansas, Ann Dunham, and they had a son, who he gave his full name: Barack Hussein Obama.

Obama Sr continued his studies at Harvard, but his marriage soon faltered. When he returned to Nairobi a few years later it was with a different white American woman, Ruth. Together, they had two children. But Obama Sr was still seeing his first wife, Kezia, on the side, and she bore him two more sons. Later, as ethnic rivalries hampered his career as a senior government official - the Obamas are Luo, while the government was largely Kikuyu-dominated - and as he increasingly turned to drink, he had an eighth child by another Kenyan woman.

Source

[stuartcr]

Why?

[spanalot]

That is killer stuff

[Rider on the Rain]

His mother’s passport records need to be looked at.

[Yaelle]

I remember making sure my first son could be President, though he was born 16 years ago to only one American outside of the country. But I meet all of the qualifications under those rules. So I believe my son could be President one day (though I hope he doesn’t run!).

Obama’s mom might have been too young, or possibly didn’t spend the requisite time within the USA?

[Eastbound]

Well, he must be passing for black then because his race is white.

[JRandomFreeper]

I just took a look at the weapons involved in the actual dual. They were flint-locks. Just to keep historically correct. ;)

It did slow the Hamiltonians down.

/johnny

[Yaelle]

Obama's mother had him when she was 18 and therefore did not meet that criteria if he was born outside the US.

Aha! Whoa, he needs to produce that BC.

[malia]

Jeff, by 1961 Hawaii was our 50th State. Infact August 21, 1959 marks the date of statehood. and that is disregarding other facts of citizenship. or is it disgarding??

[fanfan]

I will take the man at his word because of the magnitude of the punishment were it any other way.

In Texan Hold-em, we call that 'going all in, on a 2 and a 7, unsuited'.

[Vigilanteman]

The other issue is: what if he wasn't born in 1961, but was really born before August 21, 1959 - before statehood?

It would be a non-issue for the same reason that McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone is a non-issue: birth in a territory then under jurisdiction of the United States.