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To: Oyarsa

There is NO WAY this is real!

Look at the quality of the document itself, this is a newly generated electronic paper, NOT the original!

Plus, look at the question: FATHER'S RACE

WHY? Why would it ask for race at all?? MINE sure dont!

7 posted on 06/12/2008 3:20:39 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: RaceBannon

I notice that the revision date of the document (lower left hand corner) is 11/01. Therefore, this is not an original, but just some information printed on what is the current form. Who knows?


10 posted on 06/12/2008 3:22:31 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: RaceBannon

Do tell. That ain’t no forty-six year-old artifact.

The fact that appears to be stamped “JUN 6 2007” on the reverse does not help matters any.


11 posted on 06/12/2008 3:23:03 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: RaceBannon

The doc code in the lower left implies that this format is from 11/2001. It could still be a legit birth certificate. Hawaii may have racial indicators because of special laws regarding the native people there.


12 posted on 06/12/2008 3:23:03 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: RaceBannon
From the state department web site....

NOTE: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note that some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

This certificate would not be acceptable to get a passport.

13 posted on 06/12/2008 3:23:08 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: RaceBannon

Is African a race? How would a black person be identified in 1961? It seems to me that if racial identification was made, it would say Negro.

I don’t get the point of posting his birth certificate, anyway. It raises more questions than it answers. My guess is that the left is attempting to stir up controversy on the right, over Obama’s Muslim heritage, much like they are trying to gin up the controversy over Michelle Obama’s “Whitey” remark. It’s best not to fall for it, other than to question why and the reasons for all the obfuscations. The lies about his Muslim heritage are much more important than the fact, itself. Obama’s mother was an agnostic, at best and chances are that Obama is also an agnostic, whose only religious beliefs are political in nature.


16 posted on 06/12/2008 3:27:47 PM PDT by Eva (ue)
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To: RaceBannon
Actually, if you look at the large version, the type doesn't look like it was printed on the paper, but plugged in using photoshop.

And remember when there was a break-in at the State Department where it turned out to have been members of Obama's staff? Makes you wonder... (makes me wonder, anyway).

17 posted on 06/12/2008 3:27:48 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: RaceBannon
WHY? Why would it ask for race at all?? MINE sure dont!

Mine did from Missouri. And I recently had to get a copy of my marriage record from Illinois and it looked like the above.

18 posted on 06/12/2008 3:27:52 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Typical White Person #8,675,309 sez, "How'd that vote for Perot work out for ya.")
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To: RaceBannon

When you ask for a birth certificate they are computer generated. I haven’t seen my original in a very long time.When I needed one for a passport I went to NYC Dept of Health paid a fee and had one generated in front of me. All the clerk did was apply the seal since the cert was to be used for a passport. There’s nothing unusual about this birth cert except the person it names. It is unusual for a Marxist to be the candidate of a major party for POTUS.


19 posted on 06/12/2008 3:27:58 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: RaceBannon
WHY? Why would it ask for race at all?? MINE sure dont!

I totally agree. Race shouldn't be on this document. This document was altered: there should be a date issued to go along with the date filed as well.

20 posted on 06/12/2008 3:29:29 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: RaceBannon

“AFRICAN” is not a race. It’s not even a nationality.

Africa is a continent, and it has many races and many nations.

Bogus document by someone that doesn’t know better.


21 posted on 06/12/2008 3:30:25 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: RaceBannon
Anyone else notice this? When you flip the document horizontally...

The date that is circled. Looks like a JUN 6 2007? What's that about? Was this supposed to be an original birth certificate or a recent copy? Before I get to "conspiracy theory" here, I'll just assume it's something I don't understand.

23 posted on 06/12/2008 3:31:27 PM PDT by Marko413
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To: RaceBannon
"There is NO WAY this is real!"

Yes it is real. It is a CERTIFIED copy the only thing that is really legal.

They do not use Birth Certificates that hospitals used to issue.

If you apply for SS you better have a CERTIFIED copy.

25 posted on 06/12/2008 3:31:52 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: RaceBannon
Why would it ask for race at all?? MINE sure dont!

My Milwaukee County one does.

31 posted on 06/12/2008 3:35:27 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: RaceBannon

Not only that........but:

If someone, in 1961, put “African” for race.......I’ll kiss your ass.


36 posted on 06/12/2008 3:38:17 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RaceBannon

are you serious???


39 posted on 06/12/2008 3:39:57 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: RaceBannon

are you serious???


40 posted on 06/12/2008 3:40:03 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: RaceBannon

fake but accurate?


44 posted on 06/12/2008 3:42:28 PM PDT by isom35
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To: RaceBannon
WHY? Why would it ask for race at all?? MINE sure dont!

Mine does, issued by Illinois in the 1950's. My wife's does as well, from Ohio during the same decade. My daughter's doesn't, but her's was issued by Illinois in 1991. It wasn't at all uncommon for birth certificates to list "Race or Color", as that part of the document puts it, yeaws ago. That has changed over the last 20 or 30 years.

45 posted on 06/12/2008 3:42:41 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RaceBannon; Buckhead
Look at the bottom of the form:

This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.

To the right of that is says this about the form:

OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01)LASER

This IS a computer printed form and probably a genuine, "CERTIFIED COPY OF A BIRTH RECORD".

This is not a "Buckhead Moment"

49 posted on 06/12/2008 3:44:47 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: RaceBannon
It may well have asked for race back in 1961. This probably varies from state to state. But I don't think they would have written "African" for race in 1961. This was even before "black" was used. If it was referring to his nationality, since there are plenty of people who are "African" who are not black, they would have written "Kenyan" rather than "African".

Also, notice that this has the date of "Jun - 6, 2007" backwards on it as though a freshly printed date from something else was accidentally transferred to it. It couldn't be another birth certificate or issue date because the font and abbreviation is wrong. If the office that does the birth certificates prints "August 4" it's not going to be printing "JUN - 6" for "June 6".
50 posted on 06/12/2008 3:46:05 PM PDT by aruanan
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