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Why I'm uneasy about 'assisted suicide' campaigners
UK Daily Mail ^ | 6/13/08 | Tom Utley

Posted on 06/14/2008 12:06:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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Until two years ago, this organisation went under the name of the Voluntary Euthanasia Society - a title that at least had the merit of making it clear its members are more interested in killing than dying.

The culture of death does what ALL leftists do, they change their name whenever it's expedient for their agenda.

Today, abortion is widely seen simply as an alternative to contraception, and 500 foetuses are killed every day. Do we really want to go down that road with euthanasia?

The culture of death DOES.

1 posted on 06/14/2008 12:06:51 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/14/2008 12:07:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/14/2008 12:08:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 06/14/2008 12:09:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You have uncovered the strategy for balancing future government health care budgets.


5 posted on 06/14/2008 12:13:50 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Unfortunately, you are probably right.


6 posted on 06/14/2008 12:28:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I agree...The government wants to “pull the plug” as its’ end game.


7 posted on 06/14/2008 12:40:20 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: wagglebee

In the 1941 film ‘’I Accuse,’’ [Ich klage an] by Wolfgang Liebeneiner, a physician kills his young wife, who suffered from multiple sclerosis, while a fellow doctor plays funereal music in the next room. This film contributed substantially to the popular acceptance of ‘’mercy killings,’’ leading to the widespread murders by their doctors of children with medical conditions.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033750/


8 posted on 06/14/2008 12:51:32 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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Oh, it's already happening.

It's what almost happened to Barbara Wagner:

(From the Oregon Register newspaper. Do click here to see Barbara's joyous face!)

"After a rough couple of weeks, Barbara Wagner finally got some good news Monday.

"Last month, she found out that her lung cancer, which had been in remission for about two years, had come back. After her oncologist prescribed a cancer drug that could slow the cancer growth and extend her life, Wagner was notified that the Oregon Health Plan wouldn’t cover the treatment, but that it would cover palliative, or comfort, care, including, if she chose, doctor-assisted suicide.

"Then, on Monday morning, a representative of the pharmaceutical company called Wagner and told her it would provide the medicine for free. Wagner said she didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, so she did both.

“I am just so thrilled,” she said. “I am so relieved and so happy.”

"Wagner had to rely on the charity of a drug company because the Oregon Health Plan wouldn’t cover her treatment.

"“I think it’s messed up,” Wagner said, bursting into tears.

"She was particularly upset because the letter of denial said that doctor-assisted suicide would be covered."


It's not like we haven't been predicting this for 40 years.

Assisted Suicide, Public reaction #1: "It would be good for some people. What's the harm?" Public reaction #2: "This is terrible. How were we to know?"

9 posted on 06/14/2008 12:53:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler."--- Einstein)
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If I remember correctly, "I Accuse" was basically Nazi propaganda to support their lesser known agenda of killing the sick and disabled.

This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.

10 posted on 06/14/2008 1:00:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The other side of this is that we may be keeping alive people who would have died in earlier days.

In my mother case, she died of Alzheimer's disease. We kept her at home and carefully monitored her food/fluid intake. I think a lot of nursing home patients die of starvation/dehydration.

The downside is what kind of life were we extending (for her). She used to have migraines (was she still), toothaches (dental care is a problem, with some patients, they pull all their teeth).

Were we prolonging a life in hell?

11 posted on 06/14/2008 1:06:48 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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Were we prolonging a life in hell?

You were doing God a service, not for your mother, but for yourself, and God.

12 posted on 06/14/2008 1:19:00 PM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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“Were we prolonging a life in hell?”

In some senses of the word, possibly.

Alz has a progression that is a known quantity. Keeping them as comfortable as possible is a good thing. Trying to prolong the end stage with agressive treatment doesn’t do much for the patient other than stringing out the inevitable. There ‘s comes a time as a patient is dying, that they don’t want to eat, don’t want to drink, can’t communicate their needs, the organs begin to shut down, etc.

Notice I said nothing about denying care. Sometimes you have to realize that the end is coming and let nature take it’s course.


13 posted on 06/14/2008 1:30:16 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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The other side of this is that we may be keeping alive people who would have died in earlier days.

This is a popular argument with the culture of death (and NO, I am not accusing you of being pro-death); however it is devoid of any moral or logical validity.

For centuries medicine has been advancing and giving us new ways to prolong life.

Nearly all commonplace surgeries were potentially deadly just over a hundred years ago, antibiotics didn't exist, blood transfusions were just as likely to kill as help, and x-rays had just been invented. Today, we consider these procedures as normal, everyday medicine; in another hundred years people will think the same thing about today's breakthroughs and things like Alzheimer's and cancer will probably be distant memories.

People often talk about the "cost factors" in keeping people alive, but what they fail to recognize is that ALL new technologies are expense, but the costs ALWAYS drop.

14 posted on 06/14/2008 1:39:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Doe Eyes

We just went through the exact same situation. We provided food, water and palliative care. It was very difficult, but at least we are not asking the question: Did we kill him? That question would be much harder to deal with IMHO.


15 posted on 06/14/2008 1:41:02 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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Did we kill him? That question would be much harder to deal with IMHO.

I still have a harder time thinking that we made her deal with an extended life of pain.

16 posted on 06/14/2008 1:50:41 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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...a physician kills his young wife, who suffered from multiple sclerosis...

Hey now.


17 posted on 06/14/2008 1:55:27 PM PDT by rdb3 (Upward, onward, beyond...)
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To: Doe Eyes
We did give medications for pain and that is comforting. I'm of the belief that food and water are not extraordinary and that the slope is too slippery for one to decide that another is “ready” to die. sigh. One thing is for sure: there are no easy answers. I hope you work through everything and come to terms with answers/grief.
18 posted on 06/14/2008 1:55:58 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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Thank you for your kind response. What you said,

"One thing is for sure: there are no easy answers."

Everyone needs to understand this, because, more than likely it won't be a post on a website, but a person you love that you really have to deal with.

19 posted on 06/14/2008 2:06:35 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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These people always leave me wondering if they give a thought to where they’re going (for a very, VERY long “time”.


20 posted on 06/14/2008 2:11:31 PM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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