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Water from Gypsum By Steam Injection
Water Desalination Research ^ | 6/14/08

Posted on 06/14/2008 4:24:42 PM PDT by ckilmer

Here's one one interesting idea for getting water to desert regions. Consider gypsum. There's lots of it in the southwest. The chemical formula for gypsum is CaSO4.2H2O. Notice the H20 on the end? Gypsum is 20% water by weight. Did you know that you can quickly cook the water out of gypsum at 212F degrees 100C . Gypsum occurs in flat planes often not far from the surface--especially in old dry lakebeds. You could cook those planes. Leaving a mineral residue called bassanite--water would percolate up and the earth would subside causing a lake. Think you could find a heat source in the desert? Maybe flared off gas? Maybe solar power? Maybe a coal plant somewhere. 212 degrees isn't too hot. Hmm 212 is a familiar number. You might use steam.

A Dutch team has already done the initial testing. Holland Innovation Team is planning a pilot study in a desert location. They don't say where. They don't say how they're going to extract the water either. See below

But before you go. Consider. There's a group of men parked outside of Heartbreak Hotel. They climb up to their beds every night. Every night they toss and turn. In the morning they go out to a set of cool tools they've developed to extract oil from oil shale using steam injection. They're all revved up and ready to go but congress (specifcally a senator from colorado)is telling them they have to sit on their thumbs and think about it.

Someone might find these guys and say hey. While you wait. You can can use your cool tools on our gypsum. Funding should be easy.

The water from gypsum looks to be relatively expensive. But certainly it would be fraction of the cost of oil from oil shale since the oil shale requires 600+ degrees heat (vs 212F for gypsum) to cook out the oil and the deposits are usually 1000 feet down (vs at or near the surface for gypsum). As well in some desert valleys water from gypsum would be a fail safe water source.

Anyhow read the article below and consider.

Public release date: 11-Jun-2008

Contact: Peter van der Gaag pvdgaag@hollandinnovationteam.nl Inderscience Publishers

Rocky water source

Water from rock, easier than blood from stone

Gypsum, a rocky mineral is abundant in desert regions where fresh water is usually in very short supply but oil and gas fields are common. Writing in International Journal of Global Environmental Issues, Peter van der Gaag of the Holland Innovation Team, in Rotterdam, The Netherlands, has hit on the idea of using the untapped energy from oil and gas flare-off to release the water locked in gypsum.

Fresh water resources are scarce and will be more so with the effects of global climate change. Finding alternative sources of water is an increasingly pressing issue for policy makers the world over. Gypsum, explains van der Gaag could be one such resource. He has discussed the technology with people in the Sahara who agree that the idea could help combat water shortages, improve irrigation, and even make some deserts fertile.

Chemically speaking, gypsum is calcium sulfate dihydrate, and has the chemical formula CaSO4.2H2O. In other words, for every unit of calcium sulfate in the mineral there are two water molecules, which means gypsum is 20% water by weight.

van der Gaag suggests that a large-scale, or macro, engineering project could be used to tap off this water from the vast deposits of gypsum found in desert regions, amounting to billions of cubic meters and representing trillions of liters of clean, drinking water.

The process would require energy, but this could be supplied using the energy from oil and gas fields that is usually wasted through flaring. Indeed, van der Gaag explains that it takes only moderate heating, compared with many chemical reactions, to temperatures of around 100 Celsius to liberate water from gypsum and turn the mineral residue into bassanite, the anhydrous form. "Such temperatures can be reached by small-scale solar power, or alternatively, the heat from flaring oil wells can be used," he says. He adds that, "Dehydration under certain circumstances starts at 60 Celsius, goes faster at 85 Celsius, and faster still at 100 degrees. So in deserts - where there is abundant sunlight - it is very easy to do."

van der Gaag points out that the dehydration of gypsum results in a material of much lower volume than the original mineral, so the very process of releasing water from the rock will cause local subsidence, which will then create a readymade reservoir for the water. Tests of the process itself have proved successful and the Holland Innovation Team is planning a pilot study in a desert location.

"The macro-engineering concept of dewatering gypsum deposits could solve the water shortage problem in many dry areas in the future, for drinking purposes as well as for drip irrigation," concludes van der Gaag.

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"Mining water from gypsum" in International Journal of Global Environmental Issues, 2008, 8, 274- 281

Public release date: 11-Jun-2008

Contact: Peter van der Gaag pvdgaag@hollandinnovationteam.nl Inderscience Publishers


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: desalination; energy; environment; research; water

1 posted on 06/14/2008 4:24:43 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer; CedarDave

And, thus, we could create White Sands Lake, providing Alamogordo, NM a beach.


2 posted on 06/14/2008 4:31:55 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01
For that matter, why not just hit dry lake beds with a series of Fresnel lenses?


3 posted on 06/14/2008 4:35:43 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Barak and Michelle: The Sheik and The Freak.)
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To: ckilmer

Keep a movin’ Dan, don’t you listen to him Dan
He’s a devil not a man and he spreads the burning sand, with water


4 posted on 06/14/2008 4:37:38 PM PDT by decimon
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To: ckilmer

If you have the steam, how about letting it cool down and simply drink it? I know, I know, stupid idea...


5 posted on 06/14/2008 4:38:46 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: ckilmer
Seria Club is very angry at you.
6 posted on 06/14/2008 4:40:17 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: ckilmer

A whole new meaning to the phrase “mineral water”...


7 posted on 06/14/2008 4:40:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: decimon

Cool, clear water.


8 posted on 06/14/2008 4:41:06 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: ckilmer
Instant water - just add water - Hector and Mac did it first on It's About Time in 1966...
9 posted on 06/14/2008 4:44:00 PM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: ckilmer
...water resources are scarce and will be more so with the effects of global climate change.

Had to hunt around a bit for the turd in the punchbowl, but there it is. The journalistic "made in china" sticker.
10 posted on 06/14/2008 4:48:15 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Jeff Chandler

From Wikipedia: “”Cool Water” is a song written in 1941 by Bob Nolan. It is about a man and his mule, Dan, and a mirage in the desert.”

Never knew Dan was a mule.


11 posted on 06/14/2008 4:50:26 PM PDT by decimon
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To: ckilmer
Someone might find these guys and say hey. While you wait. You can can use your cool tools on our gypsum. Funding should be easy.

This sentence made me laugh. I guess if we don't strike while the iron is hot we will never learn how to do it.
12 posted on 06/14/2008 5:00:49 PM PDT by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: ckilmer

How about setting up a big, giant magnifying glass, and focusing it on the patch of gypsum we want to dewater?

Actually, RF generators set below the surface could provide a more controllable source of energy input. Heat the water at depths to steam, then as the steam rises, it will do the work of releasing the crystallized water from the mineral.

But for all this, you need some power input. Solar generators?


13 posted on 06/14/2008 5:43:32 PM PDT by alloysteel (The Obamajesty exerting its Obamagic. What nirvana, what bliss!)
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To: alloysteel

How do you get water from gypsum? Simple; just add water.


14 posted on 06/14/2008 5:49:16 PM PDT by csmusaret (John McCain is the evil of two lessers)
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To: ckilmer
Everyone with an RV get's a parking space and very long jumper cables.

An area is mapped out and an anode and a cathode pounded into the ground.

Hook up the cables, go to sleep (with the engine running) and wake up to a cool dip in your own man made lake.

Sell the water to the gummint just like the greenies get rebates and deals from generating their own electricity.

Spaces are going for $29.95 a night and they're going fast ... Freepmail me for a spot.

HURRY! ...Before they're all taken.

15 posted on 06/14/2008 6:52:49 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: ckilmer

But don’t you dare try to inject steam into shale to recover oil!


16 posted on 06/14/2008 8:41:05 PM PDT by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: knarf

actually I like your idea. Its a cheap variation on another technique to melt oil out of oil shale. Mind if I include it in the blog.


17 posted on 06/14/2008 9:56:16 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: knarf
Sell the water to the gummint just like the greenies ...

Screw that! I'm gonna put it in bottles with a fancy label and sell it in convenience stores! :-P

18 posted on 06/14/2008 10:08:44 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: ckilmer
"Mind if I include it in the blog."

Ab so tively!!

At $29.95 a pop ... there's plenty to go around ... we can sell "water off-sets" ... just like the gummint, n' become multi-poli-mega gazillionaires just like algore.

A whole lot o' sump'n created from nuthin' .... just like algore.

19 posted on 06/14/2008 10:57:38 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: uglybiker
"Screw that! I'm gonna put it in bottles with a fancy label and sell it in convenience stores! :-P "

Whooo Hoooo !!

We be on a roll now, doncha'know!

with flavors!

20 posted on 06/14/2008 11:00:36 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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