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Motorhead Messiah [60 MPG HUMMER!]
www.fastcompany.com ^ | December 19, 2007 | By Clive Thompson

Posted on 06/16/2008 10:01:03 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: ltc8k6

Each lithium-ion cell has a potential of 2.7-4.23volts depending on state of charge; currently cell size is limited by application.

We would need a lot more in the way of specs for this battery pack to evaluate it absent bench testing.

I just bought a Ryobi 12V rated battery operated drill with two batteries, a sophisticated charger and a carrying bag from Home Depot for $79.95.

After about 20 minutes of heavy duty screw turning the battery is still strong and holding a charge - unlike Ni-cad batteries which forced me to retire my old Kawasaki 19.2v drill that never ran 20 minutes doing anything.

It took 45 minutes each to charge the partially charged batteries per instructions and when the second battery was fully charged the charger went to a steady green indicator light which remains brightly on since 6/8/08.

I couldn’t be more satisfied at this point except for the “more-power” syndrome.


81 posted on 06/16/2008 12:56:37 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: LBJay

I’ve seen topers put away hair tonic, mouthwash and Sterno but I never saw one brave enough to chug transmission fluid.


82 posted on 06/16/2008 12:58:54 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: LurkingSince'98

I don’t need a diesel fueled vehicle at this time.

Nor do I need an electric vehicle.

Should I need either, I will go to proven sources.

I will not swoon over a guy who converts cars in his spare time.

When he produces something innovative, I’ll give him some credit.

Haven’t seen anything yet.

I actually can’t figure out why he got in the news at all.


83 posted on 06/16/2008 12:59:24 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Old Professer

It was rhetorical.

By asking, I was telling.


84 posted on 06/16/2008 1:02:40 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Sorry, Barry.


85 posted on 06/16/2008 1:05:24 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: fella

“It’s kind of funny how a group that appeals to conservatives can have such techno-intolerance.”

Techno-skepticism, not intolerance. When people start making claims which seem to flout the known laws of thermodynamics, we get skeptical. When people start talking about using relatively large gas turbine engines to provide bursts of power for charging batteries or capacitors, I know I’m skeptical.


86 posted on 06/16/2008 1:13:12 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Squantos

Slick.


87 posted on 06/16/2008 1:26:05 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Old Professer

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/11/20/green.hummers/

“The Lincoln’s new electric engine will power the car and when it begins to lose juice, Young will simply flip a switch and the car will run on biodiesel fuel until the electric motor is recharged. “A 19-foot-long car, the longest car ever made at its time. Two and half tons, the heaviest car at its time,” Young said, “And it can get 100 miles to the gallon, not 10 miles to the gallon.””

Doesn’t sound like it will get 100mpg to me. Sounds like it will get about what it would get if you just put a diesel engine in it. And why would you have to flip a switch?

“”It’s not cost-effective for someone to run out and spend $40,000 to double the fuel economy, but I have no shortage of customers,” Goodwin says.”

You don’t say...
No kiddin’ Johnny.

“Goodwin, 37, drives a 1987 gas burning Wagoneer, rents his home and will sheepishly tell you he didn’t graduate from high school.”

I can tell he didn’t make it through high school...

“Goodwin’s developing a download that can be installed in a car’s computer and improve the mileage by five to seven mpg without losing performance. He expects it to cost about $200.”

Uh huh... Well you know what they say about one being born every minute.

Hey, I hope these conversions are okay with CARB. They’re touchy about modifying things in Cali...


88 posted on 06/16/2008 1:29:57 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: fella

Ummm, check your tagline.


89 posted on 06/16/2008 1:36:47 PM PDT by naturalized ("The time has come," He said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!")
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To: Yo-Yo

Took me a while to find the article, I for the life of me couldn’t remember the name of the company -

http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/970292

I don’t care how precise it is, at that size and weight we could mass produce them if we wanted to.


90 posted on 06/16/2008 1:47:33 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: taildragger

I was looking for the name of this company and for the life of me couldn’t remember it, took a while to google it:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E0DA163DF931A35751C1A961958260

Take a look at this little baby, with its size and weight we could easily mass produce it if we wanted to, even with the tolerances in the microns.


91 posted on 06/16/2008 1:51:39 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

At 29% efficient, why would we want to mass produce them?


92 posted on 06/16/2008 1:54:43 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thats thermal efficiency, compared to a standard diesel or gas engine that is quite high if memory serves.


93 posted on 06/16/2008 1:58:33 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar
Check again. The very low efficiency numbers of a vehicle include all the other losses that would still be in place.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/atv.shtml

94 posted on 06/16/2008 2:02:46 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
"The largest compression-ignition engines are two-strokes and are used in some locomotives and large ships. These engines use forced induction to scavenge the cylinders. An example of this type of motor is the Wartsila-Sulzer turbocharged 2 stroke diesel as used in large container ships. It is the most efficient and powerful engine in the world, with over 50% thermal efficiency. For comparison, the most efficient small 4-stroke motors are around 43% thermal efficiency (SAE 900648), and size is an advantage for efficiency due to the increase in the ratio of volume to area."

oops, looks like you're right on that number. From the SAE writeup perhaps that is high efficiency for that type of engine, I was thinking of another thermal number in the upper teens, have to look for the chart I had earlier.

95 posted on 06/16/2008 2:04:40 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: thackney

I was looking at that chart too. This unit is coupled with a generator on the same shaft to charge batteries in one enclosed unit, so all of the loss is in the unit itself and not like the diagram which would represent the efficiency of the electric motors.

Still, as fuel prices rise it is thinking like this that can make a big difference down the road, the more people tinker with this stuff eventually we will hit on groundbreaking advances.


96 posted on 06/16/2008 2:11:21 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

The Capstone turbine generator concept has been around for over ten years. Look at the date of the article you pointed to.

It never seems to have gone anywhere besides fishing for investors. I suspect a standard diesel genset is not only cheaper, but more efficient in real life.


97 posted on 06/16/2008 2:31:06 PM PDT by ScottyinTN (Stuck on dialup)
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To: thackney

That picture you posted is very informative and helps to make a valid argument as to why Mr. Goodwin is blowing smoke. What has he come up with that is solving any of the losses inherent in a motor vehicle?

Nothing. He should put down the wrenches and go into sales / marketing. Perhaps he already has.


98 posted on 06/16/2008 2:36:55 PM PDT by ScottyinTN (Stuck on dialup)
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To: Abathar
That article is from December 1997. What has happened to this company in the intervening decade? They're losing money.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=120708&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1165503&highlight=

99 posted on 06/16/2008 3:06:12 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: kingu; AZLiberty
60 miles per gallon of diesel, using /two/ secondary sources of energy - the battery packs as well as the hydrogen, both of which aren’t properly accounted for, and even then, it’s a ‘guesstimate’ that he gets anywhere near that fuel economy.

Not to mention that water vapor is a greenhouse gas. Wonder how long hydrogen power will last once the greenies realize that...

100 posted on 06/16/2008 5:01:42 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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