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Swiftboat THIS
Modern Conservative ^ | June 17, 2008 | Steve Finefrock

Posted on 06/17/2008 9:06:07 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

Short Pants’ Short Memory

Swift-boat THIS.
by Steve Finefrock


Michael Kinsley is wearing his intellectual short pants again, in his essay on Swiftboating. Wishing upon wishes for a ‘clean’ campaign of purity, he asserts, “Swift-boat is shorthand for the brilliant, despicable Republican campaign strategy in 2004 that turned John Kerry's honorable service in Vietnam into a negative factor in his campaign. The phrase has become more broadly the term for a particular category of campaign tactics and has even become a verb. To ‘swift-boat’ somebody is to use these tactics against him or her.”

Kinsley is not stupid, nor ignorant, but plainly very conveniently ‘forgetful’ of much history in his lifetime, never mind that of the DNC and its minions earlier in the century, before Kinsley’s mind was even a glimmer in his parents youthful eyes. Swiftboating began in January of 1929, nine gestative months before the Black Tuesday stockmarket crash foreshadowed the Great Depression, and the swiftboating by historians and journalists of Herbert Clark Hoover.

Kinsley’s claims, and definitions, go further: “Swift-boating's essence is a particular kind of dishonesty, or rather a particular combination of shadowy dishonesties. It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true. It exploits its own complexity and the reluctance of the media to adjudicate factual disputes. No matter how thoroughly a charge may be discredited, enough taint remains to support an argument. The fundamental dishonesty is the suggestion that the issue, whatever it is, really matters. This is how swift-boating differs from its cousin McCarthyism, which deals in totally baseless charges that would be deeply serious if true. Swift-boating is McCarthyism lite...


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; hoover; kerry; kinsley; mccarthyism; obama; swiftboating

1 posted on 06/17/2008 9:06:10 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
The term is something invented by leftists. What it really means is for a person to be called to account by former peers or members of an organization over one's less than honorable actions. In this case former military men took umbrage with Kerry's depiction of his own actions and his questioning the moral decency of his fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. The left was banking on Kerry's military background as their way to get past the Clinton years and also to attack Bush's NG service.
2 posted on 06/17/2008 9:10:38 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

It wasn’t the ‘swiftboating’ of Kerry that permanently turned him into the enemy of my society. It was his TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS where he flat out compared our soldiers to the hordes of Genghis Khan, guilty of all manner of tortures against innocents. THAT IS WHAT I HOLD AGAINST THAT MISERABLE ... (words fail)!


3 posted on 06/17/2008 9:11:54 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
he asserts, “Swift-boat is shorthand for the brilliant, despicable Republican....

If you read that paragraph carefully, all he says is that "Swiftboating is a tactic."

I guess Kinsley doesn't dare raise anything specific, otherwise he might be forced to defend his position.

4 posted on 06/17/2008 9:11:55 AM PDT by angkor (The Elephant In The Conservative/GOP Living Room isn't RINOs, it's The Religionists.)
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To: angkor

I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...


5 posted on 06/17/2008 9:15:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: angkor

‘Mark Foleying’ is also a tactic.


6 posted on 06/17/2008 9:15:09 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Kerry “swiftboated” his unit and all the Vietnam veterans who served honorably. He especially “swiftboated” the POW’s who were tortured for things Kerry said for free. He did not even get close to fulfilling his duty as a Naval officer. We also need to stop using the term the leftists invented for their own agenda.


7 posted on 06/17/2008 9:16:27 AM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

8 posted on 06/17/2008 9:19:06 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

>>>>I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...

Come to think of it, John O’Neill was said to be a Democrat (though it was unconfirmed rumor).


9 posted on 06/17/2008 9:21:14 AM PDT by angkor (The Elephant In The Conservative/GOP Living Room isn't RINOs, it's The Religionists.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

The Democrats get most upset about dirty-tactics that they have used that have been turned back on them. Even a suspicion that a tactic has been employed is enough to send them into a rage.

Exhibit A: The manufacturing of evidence to support the rumor that GWB got ‘preferential treatment’ during his TANG service. No hard evidence has ever surfaced to support that claim, so some nameless Texas Dems just manufactured it.

Exhibit B: The infamous ‘Swiftboat’ affair. Enough evidence exists to support the conclusion that Lt. Kerry manipulated the awards system to gain an early out from combat duty in Vietnam. None of that evidence was ‘manufactured’. Much of it comes from Navy records, backed up by the testimony of officers who served with Kerry.

I have debated the Swifboat campaign with Democrats & the best that they can point to is shadowy Republican operatives who helped pull the group together. Well, OK, but show me where the INFORMATION is wrong.


10 posted on 06/17/2008 9:24:47 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...

The way I remember it they were not part of a Replican tactic, they were independent of both parties. Many of the Swiftboat Vets were actually Democrats. But facts have never seemed to matter much to Kinsley and the liberal left.

11 posted on 06/17/2008 9:25:15 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: angkor
Come to think of it, John O’Neill was said to be a Democrat (though it was unconfirmed rumor).

In his own words he supported Edwards in the '04 primaries. I always wondered if Kerry picked Edwards for veep to mollify O'Neill--if so it didn't work.

12 posted on 06/17/2008 9:35:51 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: Interesting Times; zot

ping


13 posted on 06/17/2008 9:38:26 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: TruthWillWin; Eric in the Ozarks; Interesting Times

The Swiftboat Vets were NOT a republican group, although that is the lie that the Democrats keep trumpeting. In fact, there was a 2 year Federal Voting Commission investigation that ended up rulling that the Swiftboat Vets for Truth were organized by a group of veterans with no affiliation to the Republican Party.

Read the book “To Set The Record Straight” for the full story behind the creation of the Swiftboat Vets for Truth.
http://www.tosettherecordstraight.com/


14 posted on 06/17/2008 9:43:13 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: Tallguy

“but show me where the INFORMATION is wrong.”

The whole point of ‘swiftboating’ (as used by the dems) is to conceal the INFORMATION.


15 posted on 06/17/2008 9:52:17 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

> I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group.

Absolutely correct, there are probably as many Democrats as Republicans in our ranks. It wasn’t about politics at all; it was about Kerry and righting an injustice he heaped on Veterans in the early 70s. This point was very clear to the Swifties and the MSM completely missed it and still doesn’t know it.


16 posted on 06/17/2008 10:03:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Kinsley is funny. He is also either obtuse or dishonest. If he is the latter, he assumes his readers are as obtuse as he is dishonest.

It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true.

Actually, it is precisely that. Kerry's service in VietNam might have been something to be proud of if he hadn't come home and dishonored it, negotiating with the Viet Cong, slandering his brothers in arms. Not to mention lying about the details of his own service.

If the rest of us have longer memories than is convenient for Kerry's ambitions, if we have somehow been untouched by years of media spin, I can see how that would upset a Kinsley who lives and dies by media spin. Not to mention a Kerry who, again, lives and dies by media spin.

As for McCarthyism, he again gets that precisely wrong. McCarthy told the truth and was slandered for it, and has been slandered for fifty years for telling the truth. Guys like Kinsley can't stand it when you tell the truth about them. The one thing they have is their pen, and the ability to re-write history.

Orwell envisioned a government bureau that would re-write history as the political winds change. He didn't envision that it would be outsourced to private news agencies, or that private news agencies would be the core of a political party. We always complain that the news agencies are biased toward a particular political party but its beyond that: they are the party, they are its core.

That is a wrinkle that he didn't foresee.

17 posted on 06/17/2008 10:04:32 AM PDT by marron
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Republican campaign strategy in 2004 that turned John Kerry’s honorable service in Vietnam into a negative factor

jon kerrie served in Viet Nam?


18 posted on 06/17/2008 10:08:33 AM PDT by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional; Interesting Times


19 posted on 06/17/2008 10:14:23 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

On March 27, 1986, the then-Senator Kerry on the floor of the U.S. Senate claimed he was on Navy duty in Cambodia in Christmas, 1968, at a time when President Nixon was lying to the public, saying there were no U.S. forces in Cambodia at that time. The Congressional Record reports Kerry as saying, “I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have the memory which is seared - seared - in me.”

08/19/2004
John Kerry was obliged last week to recant a number of statements he has made over the years—statements rich in detail and emotion—about his Christmas Eve, 1968 illegal mission into Cambodia. Turns out that despite his ringing oratory on the floor of the Senate, Kerry had invented that account.


20 posted on 06/17/2008 10:24:34 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...

Actually the founder of the Swift Boat was John Oneill. He is a Houston lawyer and a Democrat. He is also a loyal American Patriot.

John Kerry could have shut down the Swift Boat campaign in one day if he would have released his military records. If what the Swift Boat people saying was a lie, John Kerry's military record would have destroyed them. John Kerry did not and still has not released his military records. President Bush did. Why will Kerry not release his records?????????

21 posted on 06/17/2008 10:37:25 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: The Shrew; neverdem

Bookmarked.

And the MSM lies. Again.


22 posted on 06/17/2008 10:38:46 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: txflake
‘Mark Foleying’ is also a tactic. And "Dan Rathering" is not - just trying to speak truth to power..........
23 posted on 06/17/2008 10:40:05 AM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
"Kinsley is not stupid, nor ignorant"...

That's your opinion....

24 posted on 06/17/2008 10:43:09 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
"It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true."

Kinsley subscribes to the Dan Rather theory of "fake but true" when it comes to facts...

25 posted on 06/17/2008 10:49:08 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
None of the main critics have really read the book by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth nor have they really looked at the facts. That's painfully obvious to anyone who has.
26 posted on 06/17/2008 11:11:24 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I didn’t think the Swiftboat Vets were a Republican group...

Maybe not...but this Gunboat Vet is one!

27 posted on 06/17/2008 11:12:09 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Not one of the claims the Swift Boat Vets made has been disproved.

Swift Vets and POWs for Truth

28 posted on 06/17/2008 11:18:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

thanks, bfl


29 posted on 06/17/2008 11:39:02 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. The leftists are still angry about what the Swift Boat Veterans were able to accomplish in 2004 with no help from the Bush campaign or the Republican Party.


30 posted on 06/17/2008 7:18:24 PM PDT by zot
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To: TigersEye; freema

Bump...


31 posted on 06/17/2008 10:34:45 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
It usually involves a complex web of facts, many of which may even be true. It exploits its own complexity and the reluctance of the media to adjudicate factual disputes. No matter how thoroughly a charge may be discredited, enough taint remains to support an argument.
Some of the facts may be true? Huh? All facts are true. And since when is the media reluctant to adjudicate factual disputes? Kinsley is engaging in what he calls "swiftboating", applying it to the Swiftboats Veterans for Truth which undermined the slimy, lying, treasonous approach of John Kerry, a nasty liar who should have been hanged.
32 posted on 06/18/2008 11:48:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: smoothsailing; dcwusmc; DakotaRed
bumpin' it.

SBVFT is where I met and fell in love with this man, and the reason I am here, today.


33 posted on 06/18/2008 7:50:52 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Kinsley, as does all other leftist twits, also ignores totally that none of the Swifties charges and allegations were ever proven false. Even Kerry and his minions had to back off of some claims (Christmas in Cambodia for one) and admit they were “embellished.”

The fear expressed from the left over these brave combat tested Veterans grassroots effort and possibility of regrouping shows just how effective they were in opposing the left’s Bolshevik propaganda machine.

Incidentally, the GOP had nothing to do with guys. Pro-Bush comments were not permitted and as one who had the privilege of being on the Discussion Forum Admin team, they were removed as fast as they were discovered with cautions of pro-Bush posts were not allowed, much to the dismay of many posters.

If none have read it, Scott Swett’s “To Set The Record Straight” is an excellent read and look behind the scenes of their effort.

34 posted on 06/18/2008 10:25:10 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Complacent Americans and Spineless RINO's have allowed this to happen.)
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To: angkor

John O’Neill was a life-long Democrat, until the 2004 Campaign when the Democrats hate and anger came straight at him. He even told Nixon when they met in the early 70’s that he was a Democrat who voted for Humphrey.


35 posted on 06/18/2008 10:27:44 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Complacent Americans and Spineless RINO's have allowed this to happen.)
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