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The dipstick tipping point
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 6/19/8 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 06/19/2008 7:51:34 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: SmithL
"We can't drill our way out of the problem."

Yeah, I guess we're going to peddle our way out of it, eh?

he could no longer afford the romanticized view that oil should only be pumped from yucky places

I like this line - it captures the childeshness, foolishness, and naivete of liberalism beautifully.

21 posted on 06/19/2008 8:24:13 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: reagan_fanatic
Drilling is useless because it won't show any benefit for several years, but radically altering the economy immediately for some distant unproven future benefit must begin immediately.

Go figure.

22 posted on 06/19/2008 8:25:01 AM PDT by cerberus
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To: SmithL

McCain is “leading” by jumping to the front of the parade, but at least he is at the front of the right parade.


23 posted on 06/19/2008 8:26:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: y6162

I’d like to hear someone ask Obambi if he favors the lowering of our standard of living through high energy prices.
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Like all Marxists, he does not give a damn about America or its people — a waste of time to ask for more lies and hot air. It is all about POWER and his Marxist agenda. He is VERY dangerous and MUST lose in November.


24 posted on 06/19/2008 8:26:35 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: massgopguy; goodnesswins; coffee260

Haven’t you learned? We can’t eat our way out of starvation.


25 posted on 06/19/2008 8:27:55 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: EagleUSA

They also justify blockage of new drilling by saying that it will be years before we see any effect. Well, it has been DECADES and NOT drilling has produce exactly NOTHING. All the more reason to start drilling NOW.


26 posted on 06/19/2008 8:29:30 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: EagleUSA

By that same reasoning no one should ever plant fruit trees because it would be years until we see any fruit!


27 posted on 06/19/2008 8:31:10 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: downtownconservative
Obama to crowd in flooding area: We have change, we can't drill our way out of the oil crisis, but we can grow our way out of oil dependence.

Farmer whispers to Obama: We can't grow anything this year.

Obama: We can't, why not?

Farmer: Our fields are under water.

Obama: What about when it dries out?

Farmer: It will be to late to plant.

Obama (back to the crowd): It's a good thing we will have the coming Global Warming Crisis. Your fields should dry out a lot sooner and you farmers will be able to plant year round! We will have change, we will be able to grow the crops needed for biofuel.

PURE B.S. and PURE SATIRE

28 posted on 06/19/2008 8:32:30 AM PDT by OldBullrider (if yur hurt, rub some dirt on it, and get back to work)
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To: SmithL

I am not trying to start a fight here, but does everyone believe that we have an inexhaustible supply of oil from which to draw? I have been reading much lately about the “peak oil” concept and I am curious to hear other opinions. The people who subscribe to this theory are very much set on the imminent collapse of civilization as we know it due to a rapidly diminishing supply of crude oil and a rapidly increasing demand. I personally have little more faith in mankind’s ability to adapt but, hey , who knows. Comments?


29 posted on 06/19/2008 8:35:51 AM PDT by Honor above all (I'm only here to help.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
By that same reasoning no one should ever plant fruit trees because it would be years until we see any fruit!

Good one.

30 posted on 06/19/2008 8:36:29 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: massgopguy

“We can’t solve hunger by growing food.
We can’t work our way out of poverty.”

And using that Democrat logic, we can’t afford to “invest in education,” because that takes 17 or 18 years.


31 posted on 06/19/2008 8:37:03 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Honor above all

The guys that aren’t supposed to have a dog in this fight, the independent research firms, are in some cases advising their clients in the O&G downstream business that it’ll never be better than now (actually a year and 1/2 ago) to sell your business. These are not stupid people.


32 posted on 06/19/2008 8:41:04 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Flycatcher
Haven’t you learned? We can’t eat our way out of starvation.

We're suffering from a lack of food. We can't end this shortage by planting more crops and raising more livestock. Harry Reid and the others who say that our limited supply of what we need cannot be increased by removing their limits on supplying what we need have got to be either some of the greatest idiots on the face of the earth (in the case of Sheila Jackson Lee or Carrie Meeks or Maxine Waters) or enemies of America.
33 posted on 06/19/2008 8:41:10 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Born Conservative
No good Amish would be caught dead with an Obama sticker on their buggy. I remember talking to one lovely Amish girl in October 2004. We were admiring her horse and I happend to have a newspaper with me that featured John F. Kerry on the front page.

I kidded her about him looking like her horse. She looked genuinely hurt and said "Please, sir, don't insult my horse."

34 posted on 06/19/2008 8:48:16 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: SmithL
A little history for those who might have missed it:

In 1995, Thirty-Eight Senate Democrats, Including Sens. Harry Reid (D-NV), John Kerry (D-MA) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA) All Voted To Prohibit Drilling In ANWR.

The motion to allow drilling in ANWR was agreed to by a vote of 56-44.

Republicans voted 48-6 for drilling

8 Democrats voted for drilling.

38 Democrats voted against drilling.

The measure passed the House and was vetoed President Clinton who stated:

“Today, I am vetoing this Republican budget because it would break those commitments and would lead us toward weakness and division when we must move toward strength and unity.”

President Clinton: “This budget would give oil companies the right to drill in the last unspoiled arctic wilderness in Alaska.”

That veto is costing the United States of America $50 billion a year to replace the 1,000,000 barrels a day that we would have been getting from ANWR with an equivalent amount from foreign sources.

35 posted on 06/19/2008 8:48:53 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Honor above all

You’re getting tripped up by the word “inexhaustible.” It’s a ridiculous word, it means nothing, and it has no practical value in intelligent conversation on concrete issues.

It should, therefore, be no surprise that those who advocate “Utopianism” — another equally valueless word — always trot it out during serious discourse on energy policy.

My advice? Treat people who drop words like “inexhaustible” and “Utopianism” as you would a child. In a way, they are.


36 posted on 06/19/2008 8:53:25 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: Flycatcher

What I don’t understand is how the Democrats fail to see how much they are risking with their irrational stance on energy. Americans are getting HOT, and I don’t mean “climate change”, and there is rapidly approaching a day of reckoning. We all seem to think that we’re special in America, that rebellion doesn’t occur, that Americans can’t get angry enough to fight back—literally. WRONG. There is a powderkeg that grows daily and I think you’re likely to see it blow-up when Americans have had enough. It’s not going to be pretty, either, and the Democrats and other obstructionists to freedom will pay a dear, dear price for their foolishness.


37 posted on 06/19/2008 9:14:19 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
Inspirational words to my ears! I, too, see the Democratic Party of today leading our country and our economy down a path to ineluctable ruin.

Well, not quite ineluctable: A rebellion — maybe not a physical one but certainly a philosophical one — really does need to take place to thwart this pernicious slide.

And where do philosophical rebellions begin? In 2008, on forums like this.

38 posted on 06/19/2008 9:31:58 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: Honor above all
I am not trying to start a fight here, but does everyone believe that we have an inexhaustible supply of oil from which to draw? I have been reading much lately about the “peak oil” concept and I am curious to hear other opinions. The people who subscribe to this theory are very much set on the imminent collapse of civilization as we know it due to a rapidly diminishing supply of crude oil and a rapidly increasing demand. I personally have little more faith in mankind’s ability to adapt but, hey , who knows. Comments?

If you consider that there are vast fields under ANWR, the northern plains states, and off-shore, then there isn't really a "peak" is there? Also, I have read reports on some oil fields thought to be tapped out all of the sudden filling again.

39 posted on 06/19/2008 9:41:55 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Honor above all

I’ve read several stories in which drained fields were revisited and for unexplained reasons have started to refill. It may be that fossil fuel doesn’t come from fossils.


40 posted on 06/19/2008 9:50:51 AM PDT by printhead
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