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It doesn't matter how you feel about McCain. The fate of Western Civilization is in the balance.
Modern Conservative ^ | June 23, 2008 | Rene Guerra

Posted on 06/23/2008 8:51:30 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

When Losing Isn’t Affordable

November and The War on Islamofascism
By Rene Guerra


Unambiguous success in Iraq and unequivocal victory in the rest of the global war on Islamofascism is not a choice; we don’t have any other alternative, for it is a matter of our very survival. It is not a matter of “prestige” or any other hubristic notion; it is about our own hide, particularly when America faces the grim prospect of Barack Hussein Obama becoming the next president of the United States of America.

The term “Unambiguous Success in Iraq”, cited in the above opening paragraph, is deemed to mean: 1- Defeat of terrorists to insignificance or, better, to nonexistence, 2- Disarmament and disbandment of all militias, 3- Strengthening of the military and all other security forces, 4- Cementing effective democracy (democratic elections and participatory-democracy form of governance), 5- Activation of the economy of Iraq, 6- Further stabilization of the entire country; and 7- Enrollment of Iraq as an active ally in the rest of the global war on Islamofascism.


The Backstab America Mob

However, the Democrat Party of nowadays and the rest of the Left, along with the Backstab America Mob (the BAM) have been intensively engaged -- since before the launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 20, 2003 -- in impeding America’s success, and even facilitating her defeat in Iraq.

The BAM . . . what’s that?

They used to be benignly called “The Blame-America-First Crowd” (BAFC) from the milestone speech that Jeane Kirkpatrick -- that remarkable true American of -- delivered at the Republican Convention in 1984...


(Excerpt) Read more at modernconservative.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservativevote; iraq; islam; issues; mccain; obama; rino; war
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To: DesScorp

I am neither voting for nor donating to Leftists. The Republicans have finally crossed a line to a place where I will not follow.


81 posted on 06/23/2008 9:42:28 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: Cicero

My sentiments exactly. A fellow FR has this website and you can see from the photos of the grandparents a clear resemblance. Regarding his citizenship, I think some people have posted that he would STILL be a natural born citizen of the US if born to an American mother. BUT, this should be vetted!

In fact, several people have discouraged us even pursuing this thinking that it is marginal information at best.

That to me is absurd. I don’t like the guy, but I think ANY candidate running for the highest office needs to show us his pedigree. You go to Dixon, IL and Reagan is everywhere. The pool where he was a life guard, his school, his house etc. Obama? We don’t even know which hospital he was born at or if he was even born here.

If you lie in you auto bio then you’ll lie again and again with important matters.


82 posted on 06/23/2008 9:42:34 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: TommyDale

The GOP didn’t force McCain down our throats. Conservatives didn’t line up behind any one candidate but, instead, divided their votes between Huckabee, Romney, Thompson and Paul. How can that be McCain’s or the GOP’s fault? Divide and conquer, it works every time and it’s happening again now that McCain is the nominee.


83 posted on 06/23/2008 9:43:43 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Ingtar
I agree.

Funny how John McCain and Cindy lie even about cookie recipes.

84 posted on 06/23/2008 9:46:16 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Knitebane
You really don't get it do you? Just because I refuse to support your leftist candidate doesn't mean I support the other one.

I submit that it is YOU that don't get it.

We are no longer voting for a candidate...the primaries are over.

We are voting for this country and the Constitution.

GET IT?

85 posted on 06/23/2008 9:46:16 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

If McCain is the best we have to offer, I’ll pass. And if western civilization falls, you can blame me.


86 posted on 06/23/2008 9:46:24 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: HappyinAZ
...but he’s in our court the basic concepts.

People keep moving McCain further to the Right in their minds to justify their willingness to vote for him. However, McCain is not moving that direction at all.

87 posted on 06/23/2008 9:47:16 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: TomServo

Sadly Tom, we can’t.

McCain is a symptom of the fall of western civilization, not a cause.


88 posted on 06/23/2008 9:48:25 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: Russ

So let McCain win without conservatives.


89 posted on 06/23/2008 9:51:31 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Gaffer
Keep it up, please, please please? I love it when you McCainiacs use “thoughtful, logical argument” to make your case for McCain. Thanks, you’ve done more to hurt your chances than anything I can think of here recently....

Really? Wanna explain how?

McCain was not my first choice.

McCain was not my second choice.

The voters voted.

McCain is the GOP candidate.

We vote McCain or we 'choose' obama by default.

"you’ve done more to hurt your chances than anything I can think of here recently...."

Hopefully, before election time, you can think a little deeper

90 posted on 06/23/2008 9:51:36 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: maine-iac7
We are no longer voting for a candidate...the primaries are over.

So what? I tend to vote Republican because I'm a conservative. But that has always been because the Republicans have generally been a party that cared about the issues that conservatives care about.

The republican party doesn't own my vote. They have, in the past, earned it. That has ended. Not on my end, on their end.

You got your candidate nominated. Now go get him elected. I fail to see what my vote has to do with it.

Your candidate has been quite clear that my ideas and my vote are not wanted.

I'm okay with that.

Get it?

91 posted on 06/23/2008 9:52:57 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Free Vulcan
"McCain has 4 1/2 months to gain conservative votes. He controls his own destiny. Don’t put it on me that I owe him my vote."

Well said! If we wait, he will probably agree with us several times during the next 4 1/2 months, as he flip flops multiple times.

92 posted on 06/23/2008 9:54:12 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: jonrick46
"McCain came to us via the primary process. The last time I heard this was a democratic process."

If the Principled Conservative Thumbsuckers don't get their way, they consider the process illegitimate.

93 posted on 06/23/2008 9:54:26 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Tolkien

“A person has to earn my vote, he doesn’t get it by default even is the other person is a devil like Obama. “

I agree. America didn’t become what it is by accepting the lesser of two evils. We need to aim high and send a message that we will NOT take second best (or second to last, or whatever the hell Mcwreck is).

If it gets WORSE than it is now, we have the reset button.

Should we rather have the water start to boil, or just get a little warmer for us and our children ?


94 posted on 06/23/2008 9:54:34 AM PDT by stompk
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To: maine-iac7

And McCain is for this country and the Constitution, how, exactly?

The very best you can say about him is that the rate of destruction will be marginally slower with your boy in charge.

Quick or slow?

I’m almost inclined towards quick. At least there will be bigger chunks left over for the rebuilding.

A long, slow, through grind might actually be worse in the long run.


95 posted on 06/23/2008 9:54:41 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: nikos1121
would STILL be a natural born citizen of the US if born to an American mother.

I think, in regards to a presidential candidate, that only applies to overseas military births?

96 posted on 06/23/2008 9:55:18 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: Captain Kirk
And what do you expect of him, another Ruth Bater Ginsburg, a amnesty bill, he is a lose cannon and will not pick a VP who he perceives is brighter then he is. He will win, which is better then the alternative, but I am tired of picking the lesser of two evils.
97 posted on 06/23/2008 9:56:09 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: DesScorp
I keep trying to tell people this here, and I still get “f*ck you, I’m not voting for him”. That’s the same as voting FOR Obama, no matter how you cut it.

Does that mean not voting for Osamabama is the same as voting for McKook?

98 posted on 06/23/2008 9:56:16 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: nikos1121
The birth certificate of Obama’s is looking to be a proven forgery. Also, detailed searches on Ancestry.com and other search engines fail to come with any listing of Barack Obama or Barry Dunham or any combination there of as being born in Hawaii. Also, no record of marriage of the mother. We know the father was a practicing Kenyan Muslim and therefore polygamy was allowed.

Here's the "Two-Party Cartel" working, as usual, to forward a liberal agenda. If McLame couldn't produce a birth certificate you would hear it constantly repeated by all dems. Since we don't hear from the other corrupt faction of the cartel, it just tells me that they don't care. They are insulated because 98% of these bumb incumbents get reelected. (If you think this is a bad twosome in this election just wait until the next one & the one after that. Cartels will always move to the lowest denominator's.

99 posted on 06/23/2008 9:57:15 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Tolkien
A person has to earn my vote, he doesn't get it by default even is the other person is a devil like Obama.

Absolutely! A vote that isn't earned is an entitlement and NO politician is entitled to your vote regardless of party until he/she has EARNED it.

Threats and accusations only stiffen my resolve to have my vote earned instead of coerced or cajoled out of me.
100 posted on 06/23/2008 9:59:33 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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