Unmarried, Still Children: Children Who’ve Been Raised for Everything but Marriage

Touchstone ^ | June 2008 | Joan Frawley Desmond

[garbanzo]

Many feel that they are living without a script, making up their lives as they go.

Is this a bad thing? Wasn't the spirit of this country that you could live your own life in your own way?

[Dante3]

Calm down. You are sprouting nonsense with your claims of "breathlessly" and "pathological slander." I have not slandered him. This is a discussion board where we express opinions and facts.

I have never held it against McCain that, by his own admission, he cracked while a POW and then signed the confession. He was a victim. However, others who collaborated to a lesser degree received less than honorable discharges. Reportedly McCain even opposed war crimes investigation of his captors. Apparently he also received special treatment from the military regarding his adultery.

I have close family members in the military, and McCain's stand with Kerry of the POW/MIA issues and their families left a bad taste.

There are many sources you can check out - Vietnam Veterans Against McCain, Web sites such as nndb.com, and many other sources that range from left wing to conservative.

[wintertime]

Is this a bad thing? Wasn’t the spirit of this country that you could live your own life in your own way?” (garbanzo)
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I don’t think the our ancestors were stupid either. We would not be were were are today if everyone continually tried to reinvent the wheel.

Some things work. We know that, so we should do it. If we don’t, then there are consequences for that as well.

[garbanzo]

We would not be were were are today if everyone continually tried to reinvent the wheel.

Actually a lot of people did try to reinvent (or at least improve on) the wheel and plenty of other things too. Not all were successful of course, but they did have the freedom to try.

[mtntop3]

This is indeed a discussion board where opinions and facts are presented. There is also present, enabled by anonymity, a considerable amount of disinformation and outright venomous slander.

We will assume the best - that you are merely and profoundly ignorant of the facts.

You state you have family members who have served in the military....of course, that is a failsafe testimony to the truth of your words and the goodwill in which they are presented.

In regard to “Vietnam Veterans” - I would remind you that only one of seven U. S. service man or woman in-country in Vietnam was in a combat capacity instead of support role. Even those in the service at that time and never left the States are also “Vietnam Veterans.”

You state that McCain “cracked” while a POW at the Hao Lo Prison in Hanoi and “signed (a) confession.”

Can you tell me, Dante3, of a single POW in that prison who did not sign a “confession” after suffering the most extremes of tortures - as they all did???

So extreme that McCain cannot even raise his arms above his head today...

The fact that you imply that this was a genuine and willing confession given by these men indicates your profound and gross ignorance if not your sheer malevolence.

The following is a passage from Robinson Risner’s description of his seven years in Hoa Lo Prison in “The Passing of the Night”:

“They had tortured me into signing statements and confessing that I was a criminal. They had bent me out of shape so that I would make a tape saying I had violated the air space of North Vietnam and committed crimes against their people. Everything I had given them had followed periods of either intense punishment or excruciating torture. Every chance now I tried to underscore that everything they had been given was obtained under duress. ‘You know what you made me do, but you will never make a Vietnamese out of me. You will never change my heart or mind, if I am here until I die.”

You could do a lot worse, Dante3, than getting a copy of this book...

You see, none of these men - men - “cracked.” No matter how much they were tortured and made to make some sort of “confession” - all kept their integrity and their souls and their love of God and their love of Christ AND LOVE OF THEIR NATION - LOVE OF DUTY, HONOR, AND COUNTRY.

The free nations of the world at that time know these “confessions” were but manifestations of the horrific torture applied to the POW’s at Hoa Lo Prison.

NO ONE BUT A FOOL, OR SOMEONE WITH EVIL IN THEIR HEARTS, WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OTHERWISE THEN - OR TODAY.

[greccogirl]

The cost of living was high for us too - but we settled for less. My first job in Atlanta paid me 400 a month clear, my apartment rent was $160 a month. Many months I could hardly wash my clothes, but I did it, and would have NEVER gone back home. Kids today are lazy and spoiled.