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Unmarried, Still Children: Children Who’ve Been Raised for Everything but Marriage
Touchstone ^ | June 2008 | Joan Frawley Desmond

Posted on 06/24/2008 3:32:05 PM PDT by rhema

Recently, a friend described an exchange between a mother and her son, a senior at a top university. He wanted to marry his long-time girlfriend. His mother retorted that she was more ambitious for him than his girlfriend was; she advised him to avoid an “early” marriage that might limit his options.

Another friend confided to me that he had counseled his high-school-age daughter to establish a decade’s worth of graduate school and career development before marrying. Marriage would complicate the task of achieving financial independence. And he just wasn’t sure that men could be trusted.

Without a Script

Many young people now earn parental approbation without achieving one traditional benchmark for adulthood: securing the love, commitment, and respect of a spouse. Such parental sentiments appear to be growing, and they have helped to extend and justify the footloose patterns of college life well past graduation day.

“Being 35 today is much like being 35 a generation ago. Adults’ lives are still framed by careers, marriage, children, and civic ties. But being 25 today is very different,” asserted William Galston, speaking at the Forum on Being 20-Something in the 21st Century, part of the Brookings Institution’s Responsible Parenting Project.

“Most young people in their 20s are living outside of institutions and without the structure and norms institutions provide,” continued Galston, author of a recent Brookings report, The Changing 20s. “Many feel that they are living without a script, making up their lives as they go.”

In 1970, only 21 percent of 25-year-olds had never married. In 2005, 60 percent had yet to wed. Asked to identify the key events marking the passage into adulthood, 96 percent of the young adults in one recent survey identified a full-time job. About half that number mentioned marriage.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: adulthood; generationy; marriage
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1 posted on 06/24/2008 3:32:05 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

50 % or so of these kids grew up in divorced households. Why would they be expected to marry?


2 posted on 06/24/2008 3:35:08 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (This is Sammy Israel III filling in for DB Cooper who will be returning next week,)
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To: rhema

once again proof that the social engineering of the dems and socialist have become a norm in or society....

socialists and dicatators hate any institution that challenges their authority and affairs of the heart and soul will beat socialism and the anti-moral mindset anyday


3 posted on 06/24/2008 3:36:30 PM PDT by Americanwolf (no matter which way you cut it...barrack obama and hitlery are socialists)
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To: rhema

sad.


4 posted on 06/24/2008 3:36:50 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Natchez Hawk
On top of that, we have raised a generation of self-indulgent, dependent, and narcissistic children.

We, in general, in our culture, are not raising our boys to be responsible men.

Without that, marriage is guaranteed to be a failure.
5 posted on 06/24/2008 3:38:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Natchez Hawk

I married at 21 and I’m still married to him 20 years later. I have two children and have advised them it is better to get their college degree, then marry and have children. It is just easier. I know this because I am attending college now with two young teens and it is difficult.


6 posted on 06/24/2008 3:39:07 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: brwnsuga
I am attending college now with two young teens and it is difficult.

Life is difficult.

7 posted on 06/24/2008 3:40:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: rhema
Their children are deemed incapable of bearing the weight of marriage. Everything must be in place before they can contemplate such a momentous—potentially “destabilizing”—step.

The message: Marriage is a bad thing except for homosexuals.

8 posted on 06/24/2008 3:40:39 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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To: rhema

Well, the economic situation tends to postpone marriage these days, regardless of what parents might advise. The man used to be the bread earner, and could support the whole family. Now women have to work too, in most families.

I have plenty of grandchildren, but most of my children have married older than we did, and will likely have much fewer children themselves. It’s just harder to get started.

The country seems more prosperous, but money is worth much less than it was, and even in this housing slump it’s very expensive to get started.

Our kids were raised in a family/children environment. But a lot of kids aren’t, and in liberal families and schools they are taught that you can have sex without marriage or kids.

Yet the demographic meltdown isn’t nearly as bad here as it is in Europe, Russia, or Japan.


9 posted on 06/24/2008 3:44:34 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: brwnsuga

The damage done to our young in college makes me think they’d be better off being poor but loving parents.


10 posted on 06/24/2008 3:45:13 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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To: Jeff Chandler

Studying for nursing school, taking care of a spouse, shuttling kids around here and there, taking care of elderly mom and working is difficult. No way around it, but this sister is doin’ it. I am not whining, just saying it would be easier for my children to attend college, then marry, then have children. They can concentrate on their studies and not have to worry that they are shirking any of their responsibilities.


11 posted on 06/24/2008 3:46:27 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: donna

Marriage is a bad thing except for homosexuals


It’s really twisted isn’t it? This strange and morbid and sometimes hellish world did not get this way overnight.

It seems the whole society has been turned upside down and inside out.


12 posted on 06/24/2008 3:47:13 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: rhema
Marriage would complicate the task of achieving financial independence. And he just wasn’t sure that men could be trusted.

Darn straight. Since my daughter was old enough to understand I was unwavering in one thing: she is going to get her degree before she gets married. Thank our our self-obsessed society for allowing divorce to run rampant. She is going to be able to stand on her own two feet if necessary without having to pay a bunch of greedy lawyers to squeeze an ex-husband.

13 posted on 06/24/2008 3:47:15 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" White Guy)
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To: rhema

When divorce, (and financial ruin), is easy, why get married?


14 posted on 06/24/2008 3:47:35 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Judges are not above the Constitution.)
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To: brwnsuga

and you should be proud of what you are accomplishing many today do it... bet then again it does not help the media or the dems prove there point... you are not a helpless soul or someone who has a sense of false entitlement... you are an honest hardworking america.... and i am truly coming to belive the dems just cannot stand that.


15 posted on 06/24/2008 3:49:14 PM PDT by Americanwolf (no matter which way you cut it...barrack obama and hitlery are socialists)
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To: donna

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

My husband and I have done our best and will continue to do so, but I would rather they have the opportunity that a college degree can give them.


16 posted on 06/24/2008 3:49:38 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: LiberConservative
Since my daughter was old enough to understand I was unwavering in one thing: she is going to get her degree before she gets married.

I told my fiancee and her parents the same thing, but for other reasons. I have no intention of ever divorcing her - as far as we're concerned, it does not exist as an option. Still, she needs to be able to support herself in the event something precludes me from making a living. It is all the more imperative that she be able to do so since I'm in the Army.

17 posted on 06/24/2008 3:51:06 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: donna

Yes but a lot of that damage is done before they experience college.


18 posted on 06/24/2008 3:52:28 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Teach your child to be an American. Take him out of public school.)
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To: Judges Gone Wild
When divorce, (and financial ruin), is easy

Pre nup agreement.

19 posted on 06/24/2008 3:54:30 PM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver won't stay in Denver... August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: rhema
Our society is infantilizing our youth.

In the first place, kids are **deliberately** given a crappy government education.

To be useful in the workplace they need to **waste** 4 years in high school **and**, in addition they need go to college just to get enough education to be able to do a job that my parents ( 95 years old) could have done with an eight grade education.

If they could receive a decent education to the 8th grade, most should be learning a real trade or be working and NOT be going to high school and especially not college. They could then be moving on to real work, establishing real relationships, marrying, and having kids.

My grandmother married at the age of 17. My great grandmother married at 15. For her wedding she was given her first pair of real shoes. Thornton Wilder wrote the play “Our Town”. The young people in this play married immediately after high school.

Second, follow the money!

The money will lead directly to a lot of government schools employees, and those in the entertainment and retail businesses who make a lot of money on keeping kids a infantile as possible for as **long** as possible!

By the way, my kids were homeschooled. All 3 were finished Calculus III and all general college requirements by the age of 15.

The oldest then went to night school to study accounting. At 15 he went to his college's job fair. He was given a **serious** offer for a beginning management job by a local bank. Guess what? He could have done that job, at age 15 and done **well**.

My son didn't take that job, because he was legally too young to have a full-time job, and he wanted to finish his accounting degree. Also, he is a highly ranked athlete in his sport. A job would not have allowed him time to train.

20 posted on 06/24/2008 3:55:56 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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