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Unmarried, Still Children: Children Who’ve Been Raised for Everything but Marriage
Touchstone ^ | June 2008 | Joan Frawley Desmond

Posted on 06/24/2008 3:32:05 PM PDT by rhema

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To: Americanwolf

Considering McCain was having an affair with Cindy while still married, I think it’s unfair to put all the blame on democrats. And Reagan was divorced, too, you know.


21 posted on 06/24/2008 3:57:00 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: donna; 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
“The damage done to our young in college makes me think they’d be better off being poor but loving parents.” (donna)

“Yes but a lot of that damage is done before they experience college.” (668 - Neighbor of the Beast)

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Bingo!

Please read post #20

22 posted on 06/24/2008 3:58:21 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: jude24

God Bless You, Hon. It is a good idea to wait till she gets her degree before you get married. Love is patient.


23 posted on 06/24/2008 3:59:20 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: brwnsuga
I have two children and have advised them it is better to get their college degree, then marry and have children. It is just easier. I know this because I am attending college now with two young teens and it is difficult.

Congratulations to you for pursuing your dreams even though it is difficult. Some people wish they could, but you are showing that you CAN.

I suspect that your efforts are also impressing the value of an education on your children (as well as the fact that good things require work).

24 posted on 06/24/2008 4:02:49 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: wintertime

I would not want my daughter to marry at 15. While she is responsible and a honor student she is not mature enough to run a house. My goodness, I can’t fathom it. It would be pizza and Twinkies for dinner every night. Miley Cyrus and Jonas Brothers all day at her house.


25 posted on 06/24/2008 4:03:07 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: rhema

Finding and marrying a compatible spouse and remaining happily married is a lot harder than finding a career. So why don’t we train our children how to do it? In fact, we do just the opposite.

Children need extended interaction with the opposite sex to be able to relate to them when they are adults. And such interaction is usually NOT achieved in school.

Unfortunately, there are very few daily or weekly social gathering events where kids have no choice but to interact. Where they are not allowed to self segregate, and have to learn about the opposite sex.

And I mean have to. Just like they have to get an education. And it is critical that they do this from before puberty, so they do not have solely a predatory intent focused on physical sex.

That have to learn that the opposite sex are people, not objects, not the enemy, and not all the same.

Just doing this would solve many of societies problems. The divorce rate would drop, unplanned pregnancy and hasty marriage would become much less common. The numbers of children of divorce would decline compared to children of marriage.


26 posted on 06/24/2008 4:03:51 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Amelia

Thank you, that is very kind. Every American can reach their dreams if they work hard enough. No one is going to GIVE you anything, because is something is FREE....its usually crappy anyway.


27 posted on 06/24/2008 4:05:58 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: rhema
Marriage would complicate the task of achieving financial independence.

Wrong. Marriage can actually improve your finances, since you have double the income and can consolidate and reduce shared expenses. That said, this assumes that husband and wife are willing and able to set goals, establish a plan, and manage their finances prudently.

Goals like attending grad school and developing a successful career can be attained within marriage, but both parties must be willing to support each other. The only issue at hand is that if you have kids, then raising them becomes your top priority over all other goals.

And he just wasn’t sure that men could be trusted.

Valid point, but it goes both ways.

Many young people now earn parental approbation without achieving one traditional benchmark for adulthood: securing the love, commitment, and respect of a spouse.

Maybe it's just me, but I get the sense that this article is somehow pushing marriage as a panacea for societal ills, which is completely wrong. If you're getting married just to meet a "benchmark" then something is completely wrong.

Marriage is not something to jump into lightly. It's a lifetime commitment (on every level) to another person of the opposite sex...we're talking a merger except you can't spin off the other person (or sell them) later if you're unhappy with them.

Perhaps the reason why folks in my age group are reluctant to get married is that they fear the loss of freedom and things like accountability and responsibility. On the other hand, it's certainly possible that some have not found another worth marrying. Or, as in my case, we have issues that need resolution (graduating, getting a job, paying off student loans, and so forth). Or, perhaps it's a combination of the above issues.

So, as a 22 year old who has friends (of comparable age) who are happily married (and one even has a newborn already), I would say to my peers that, if you strongly believe that you have found the right person and you are willing to make that commitment (and have the maturity and capacity to follow through), then by all means, get married.

28 posted on 06/24/2008 4:06:36 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Facts are stubborn things." –Ronald Reagan)
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To: Americanwolf

I waited until I was 29 and had a career in progress to get married. I raised 5 kids and I’m still happily married after 27 years. The number one problem in a marriage is money. Always has been. If you can afford to support a family at 20 great but if you can’t I don’t see a problem waiting. Does that make me a socialist who has been engineered?


29 posted on 06/24/2008 4:08:00 PM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite

nope you have a logical progession in you thought and actions in you life...

the majority of the youth of my generation do not want to get married, because the have been taught that is a controling trap... not and loving nuturing istitution,


30 posted on 06/24/2008 4:10:54 PM PDT by Americanwolf (no matter which way you cut it...barrack obama and hitlery are socialists)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Wow, Jeff, that is really profound (ly retarded).


31 posted on 06/24/2008 4:12:35 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: rhema
Nomarriage.com.....Crass site dedicated to identifying feminists in our society using examples and stark truth. Site is offensive but there is a lot of truth to the description of American women and their ways.
32 posted on 06/24/2008 4:13:45 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: saganite

No, it makes you somebody who makes intelligent choices. For several of my friends, getting married after 30 worked out well. Nancy Grace got married at around 46, has twins now.


33 posted on 06/24/2008 4:13:51 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: brwnsuga

M’am, don’t feel like you have to apologize. You’re observation and advice are dead on in my opinion. Jeff’s glib response that life is hard was really quite idiotic.


34 posted on 06/24/2008 4:14:42 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Dante3

I wouldn’t use Nancy Grace as an example of anything.


35 posted on 06/24/2008 4:14:49 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: rhema
Marriage is going away in secular society. If you are not Christian, there is no benefit to it.
36 posted on 06/24/2008 4:16:13 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wintertime

Yeah I’d want a Doctor,Lawyer or a Chemist to not have to gone to college too.


37 posted on 06/24/2008 4:16:18 PM PDT by John Will
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Very interesting post. How true!

My grandmother ( born 1894) told me that she attended dances where she was **given** an dance card and was **expected** to dance with every young man listed on the card.

Also, I think the concept of “dating” gives young people practice in serial infidelity. Also, the primary purpose of dating is having a good time, or, as you put it so well, for predatory opportunity. (Wrong motive, in my opinion!)

Instead, we should return to the idea of “courting”. That is, young men and women visited ( with chaperons) with each other with the primary and specific purpose of determining if they might be good marriage partners.

38 posted on 06/24/2008 4:16:33 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: nobama08

Reagan was validly married to Nancy, because Jane Wyman was married for a short time before she married Reagan. Wyman became a Catholic around 1954, and at that time her marriage to Reagan was declared null. Of interest only to Catholics, of course.

I doubt that McCain’s dumping of his first wife had much to do with debasing the culture.

Where the Republicans are really to blame is that they buy into the School Hoax just as fully as Democrats. EVERYONE except homeschoolers buys into the hoax of school.

School should be viewed as an emergency measure for families that have been struck by disaster—like orphanages.


39 posted on 06/24/2008 4:16:41 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: darkangel82

LOL


40 posted on 06/24/2008 4:17:53 PM PDT by Dante3
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