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Israel Insider Sidebar information:

"I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate." Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, to the Los Angeles Times.


Seal of the state of Hawaii appears in a low-resolution,
second-generation black and white
image inconsistent with the rest of the document
(Photicon blog)


Upper-left corner of frame shows uneven "paste" of
vertical rectangle, unaligned with horizontal border
(Photicon blog)


June 6, 2007 appears at the bottom of the image, just
right of center, as a backward facing stamp. Where
does this come from, and what does it mean? And where
is the official seal and signatures that one
would expect on an official document of this kind?

1 posted on 06/25/2008 9:10:21 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Ping.


2 posted on 06/25/2008 9:10:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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So will someone go to court to make BO prove he is legal?


3 posted on 06/25/2008 9:16:26 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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This is getting more and more fun to watch.

The key issue is in this sentence: it is Article Two, Section One of the Constitution which requires that the President be a “natural born citizen” and not simply a naturalized citizen.


4 posted on 06/25/2008 9:18:41 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Red Steel
Obama is a charlatain, a liar, and an abject marxist.

THE GREAT SEAL OF OBAMANATION



THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA


5 posted on 06/25/2008 9:19:21 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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The cloud of controversy, of course, could be dispelled with ease, of course, if Obama would release the real documentation of his birth, or even the original printed version of the online document the campaign claims as genuine.

Seems like such a no brainer to just go ahead and deliver the real certificate to the press and get all this controversy over with. Maybe bambi is just playing all this up so he can get everyone in an uproar then casually show the real thing and make everyone look like a fool. Its a stupid game to play though if that is what he is doing, even some of his Zombie supporters in the press may start to wake up.

If he is not playing a game then this could get real interesting.

6 posted on 06/25/2008 9:21:10 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Drill drill drill for oil offshore and on land merrily merrily merrily merrily environuts be damned)
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Uh-oh...

I’m starting to get the feeling that Obama is really a Nigerian 419 scammer!


7 posted on 06/25/2008 9:23:47 PM PDT by MWS (Bow to Leper Messiah - the Obamanation That Causes Desolation)
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I noticed the byline is June 21. The Israel Insider did a follow up on June 24th

The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks. But now the senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed to Israel Insider what are the required features of a certified birth document -- features that Obama's purported "birth certificate" clearly lack.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2036156/posts

9 posted on 06/25/2008 9:25:42 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (What value does Black Liberation Theology hold in a post racial Republic?)
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Funny that they didn’t seem to consider that it’s a “Birth Certification,” not a “Birth Certificate”...thus, the datestamp on the back could very well be an official dating of when this document was issued (as a certification from the records, not the original birth certificate). The print could be off because of misalignment of printer paper, etc.

I’m concerned that this is going to play into the hands of Obama.


11 posted on 06/25/2008 9:31:22 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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Ben LeDolt, Obama’s mouthpiece, cannot confirm that the document is Obama’s birth certificate. Only the state of Hawaii can do that.

Remember, Dan Rather confirmed that the Bush document was real, too.

Some journalists confirmed that John Kerry released his SF180 service record but we haven’t seen them. John lies with the best, and so do his mouthpieces Wade and Hurley.

What you get from a hospital or govt records as a “birth certificate” is actually a stamped/seal copy, and not the original which is kept by the government.

Anyone can forge a birth certificate. Just ask the illegals who have them by the score.

Let’s see what develops before passing a final judgment, but remember, the Democrats are great at accepting forgeries as real (Hitler’s Diaries, anyone?)

CBS’s “Operation Tailwind” anyone? Mark Lane’s book “Conversations with Americans”? Jayson Blair; Janet ? , Wash. Post; yada yada.


14 posted on 06/25/2008 9:34:16 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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If you go to the Hawaii Department of Health website, you can find a detailed description of the process for retrieving copies of of vital records. One thing to note especially is that the requirements for obtaining such copies are narrowly circumscribed. A person might obtain a legal copy, alter it, make the alteration public, and there would be no way to prove the fraud short of a court order "established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction ...."
18 posted on 06/25/2008 9:41:39 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, told the LA Times: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate."

Now here is a "spokesman" who is totally incompetent. He is clearly talking out of his ASS.

It is NOT his Birth Certificate, never was, isn't claimed to be.

What they are attempting to pass off as genuine is a "Certification of Live Birth".

That is NOT the Birth Certificate. It is a re-issue of your birth record printed from state records on the form in current use by the State at the time the request for the certification was made.

IT IS NOT VALID WITHOUT BEING EMBOSSED WITH THE STATE SEAL AND THEN NOTARIZED.

NEITHER the embossed seal, nor the subsequent notarization are evident on Obama's copy so it CANNOT be genuine.

Which would account for the redacted number.

19 posted on 06/25/2008 9:43:50 PM PDT by Wil H
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From the article: "Validation for the authenticity of the image is provided by a reporter for the St. Petersburg Times, who reportedly emailed the image and got a confirmation from an official in the Hawaiian Department of Health. "

Isn't this almost certainly a lie? Could any of us email an image of a document and get any kind of confirmation from the authorities in Hawaii based on such an image?

20 posted on 06/25/2008 9:44:49 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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I have felt this issue is a red herring and best to be avoided. Maybe it still is and Obama’s people are stringing us along knowing the truth.

I think the proper approach is a low key attempt to validate his birth certificate with out any fanfare.


21 posted on 06/25/2008 9:48:54 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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Look at the CORNERS of the doc....it’s PIECED.


22 posted on 06/25/2008 9:50:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Well, given Hussein’s purported presidential ambitions as a kindergartener, and his subsequent (purported) professorship of Constitutional Law, he would have been highly aware of any disqualifications at a relatively early age, and can be expected to have worked to smooth over any of that damning evidence long ago.

It might be true that he’s ineligible to compete for President. Certainly, much more remains uncertain in his case than in McCain’s. He should be challenged in court to show proof of natural citizenship.


28 posted on 06/25/2008 10:00:26 PM PDT by perchprism
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This is a crudely faked "birth certificate." What the hell are Kos and the Obama propaganda machine hiding?


30 posted on 06/25/2008 10:02:53 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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O.K. Hillary; get ready to UN-suspend your campaign.


33 posted on 06/25/2008 10:09:05 PM PDT by no dems (B. Hussein is an Obamanation)
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Maybe he wasn’t actually born in 1961? Perhaps born before mom was 18, and before Hawaii was a state?


39 posted on 06/25/2008 10:27:32 PM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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This bunch will vouch for his certificate


45 posted on 06/25/2008 10:39:22 PM PDT by OnRightOnLeftCoast (It not for double-standards, the Left would have no standards at all.)
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The author subsequently talked to the Hawaiian official. Nothing is released electronically. Obama’s is a forgery.


49 posted on 06/25/2008 10:55:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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