Posted on 06/26/2008 6:52:28 PM PDT by LSUfan
the Air Force was originally given the task of replacing the 1911 with a 9mm. After all their tests which were conducted at Eglin AFB, the final winner was the Beretta 92,
the Army pitched a fit along with Smith and Wesson and were given authorization to conduct another round of tests. The result was the same. The Beretta model 92.
I wonder if FN could start turning out their FAL again? It really is a better rifle than the M14.
Make mine M-14...
Here’s the ideal round: 10 mm explosive tipped caseless. And the best choice for it is an m41a.
just my personal preference. =)
Don't count on it. Like the M14 our government will have them all destroyed. Most of them anyway.
An M-14 will shoot through a tree,,,
Also you could re-load the M-14 with stripper clips,,,
In The Dark...
Weapons are like airplanes, in that both are compromises of conflicting/competing design requirements.
//Today’s war in Iraq requres a short barreled weapon for quick exit from an MRAP and for close quarter battle.
The standard M14 is fine in Afghanistan in the hills, but not for Sadr City.//
Like you say, but its not more the time of the war but the environment of the war. Your Afghanistan/Iraq comparison works well.
Kel-Tec RFB: Gas-operated 7.62 NATO (.308 Win), it accepts standard FAL-type magazines. RFB stands for Rifle Forward-Ejection Bull-pup.
The advantages would be an ambidextrous long barreled rifle with a shorter overall length by placing the receiver and action as far back as possible giving better balance to the weapon. From having shot both carbines and bull-pups, my grouping was tighter at longer distances, with faster target acquisition from recoil and ready position with the bull-pup design. My comparison was done with an M4A2 carbine and a Steyr AUG, both .223 cal. I am left handed and had to shoot both weapons right handed (however I practice shooting both handed, so I am fairly even when it comes to left or right handed) to get a proper comparison. Another advantage is by reducing the rifle length forward of the grip it makes it a more efficient choice for close quarters combat.
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I hope they’re not considered “dangerous” according to tody’s Supreme Court ruling.
M14. Great rifle. Loved it so much while in service, bought an M1A when I retired.
I don’t care much for the M-14. I was tained on the M-1 Garand. However, the one saving grace of the M-14 was that it fired a bullet capable of KILLING the enemy with one shot. 7.62 or 30.06 - don’t know much of the inherent, if any, differences to prefer one over the other. But both KILL. Isn’t that the primary characteristixc of a military weapon? Or do we design a weapon that harmlessly captures rather than harms the enemy?
I think the idea behind the smaller caliber is that it’s designed to maim, rather than kill. The theory is that a wounded soldier is more of a liability on the battlefield than a dead one. He can’t fight effectively, and he’ll slow everyone else down. A dead soldier just gets left behind. FWIW.
According to our soldiers in Iraq, the 5.56mm is a poor CQ combat weapon.
I think they’re probably right. The theory it’s based on may be valid for open field combat, but breaks down in CQ/urban warfare. From what I’ve read the soldiers who went in to clean out the Japanese tunnels in the Pacific always used a .45, I suspect for good reasons.
The Soviets fought the Battle of Stalingrad with a 7.62x25mm round and the Germans were moving to a 7.92x33mm Kurz round.
I believe the idea of having more smaller/lighter rounds started with Kalishnikov, and was defining characteristic of the “assault rifle”.
Sorry - the 16 will never be available from the CMP for the same reason you can't get a 14 - the BATF says that "once a machine gun always a machine gun" and they cannot be "downgraded" to to a semi-auto.
Judging by the way my beloved USAF has screwed up the Tanker deal, maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing!
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