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To: AmericaUnited
The LASER form was revised November 2001 (11/01), so:

1) I don't think there were LASER printers in 1961, and

2) This HAS to be a certified COPY of his 1961 birth certificate, so

3) WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL?

4) Does that mean that the posted birth certificate is "fake but accurate"?

This sounds like a 2008 version of Dan Rather's fake documents on a Remington typewriter. In this case, there were no LASER forms in 1961.

Again I ask: WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL?!?!?!?!

80 posted on 06/28/2008 3:05:38 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: SERKIT
This HAS to be a certified COPY of his 1961 birth certificate, so

Well of course. No one really thought it was the cute one with the ink foot prints.

82 posted on 06/28/2008 3:07:28 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: SERKIT
The document published on the Daily Kos is not a copy of Obama's birth certificate. It doesn't claim to be. Instead, it's a "certificate of live birth," which is a separate, secondary document that can be issued by the state at any time, even years or decades, after the birth.

All that a certificate of live birth does is attest that the infant was born, implying that somewhere in the state archives there's another document -- namely, the original birth certificate -- that contains all of the pertinent information (including, among other things, the marital status of the parents, and possibly their religion(s); the name and signature of the physician who attended the birth; the name and signature of at least one witness (usually an attending nurse); the name and address of the hospital where the birth occurred; a statement as to whether the infant's father was, at the time of the birth, an actively serving member of the U.S. Armed Forces; and, not least of all, a rubber-stamped imprint of the infant's right foot).

So, one more time: A certificate of live birth is NOT the same as a birth certificate, and the fact that the certificate of live birth was issued in 2007 on a laser-printer form tells us absolutely nothing other than that the real birth certificate, which apparently no one has seen, is (perhaps) still out there.

99 posted on 06/28/2008 3:30:18 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (The Stig's "African cousin" ... is Lewis Hamilton. Check it out.)
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To: SERKIT

In Florida you can get a short form with just basics on it, and it would be on the most recent paper available in that office. A long form certificate in Florida is still copied onto the most recent version of vital records paper, even if it is the ‘original’ long form. They actually put the blue paper into the xerox.

So the version of paper is not a real stopper for me. What is troubling is the fact that though the Decosta certificate and the Obama certificate appear to be on the same paper version, the borders are dramatically different. All the paper should be the same.


139 posted on 06/28/2008 4:56:30 PM PDT by esquirette (If we do not have our own world view, we will accept theirs.)
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