Wouldn't the authorizing signature appear also, like on the Decosta document?
Posted on 06/29/2008 11:18:17 PM PDT by Kevmo
Could it be a case of much ado about nothing? Doug Ross thinks so. Questions have been raised about the copy posted on the Daily Kos site bore a state seal embossed.
..one of Pamela Geller's readers did some heavy-lifting with Photoshop and discovered what appears to be an embossed seal on the back of Obama's certificate.
Ross writes:
I was startled because I had carefully reviewed the image weeks ago and not seen any clue of a signature or embossed seal. I spent some time this morning playing with various graphics settings until I was able to tease a similar image out of the scan.
It certainly appears to be legitimate.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/the-missing-oba.html
The "Missing" Obama Birth Certificate Seal UPDATE: Mitchell Langbert has written a Freedom of Information Act Request for Barack Obama's Birth Certificate
I know there is a lot of controversy and back and forth on absence of an official seal on Obama's birth certificate. Atlas reader Joe aka Jointhehunt5Yaser has been blowing up the birth certificate (lifted off Obama's Fight the Smear site) and there is a seal image there.
On the right the Patricia Decosta Hawaiian Birth certificate
Joe wrote me:
I flipped it over, cut it and put it next to the seal from Patrica Decosta birth certificate. I think it is a seal, if not, for sure it is an image of something. I used an older version on adobe and came up with the image. Do you know anyone who is a pro in finding hidden imaging's like this? Because if it is a real seal where is the signature stamp? I couldn't find any signature stamped on it like the decosta certificate has. This is an image of something and a pro can get it more visible.
Using adobe photo shop Joe used overlay 9% black then went over the area where the date is stamped on lower middle. and a image started to appear above the date.
So I used - filter, stylize, find edges.
An image that could be an official seal appeared.
And while the Israel Insider opined, "Nothing else explains why Obama's campaign refused to release the original paper document, to make this distracting controversy go way"
Because Hollyfield is right about one thing:
"If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud."
U.S. citizens who have written to Israel Insider or have posted on the Internet are not satisfied. Ordinary people are compelled to produce certified paper birth certificates to get a passport or a driver's license. Why, people are asking, doesn't Obama needed to show one to run for President?
But I believe the Obama campaign would deliberately keep such a question alive to diminish the veracity of the real scandals Obama is guilty of (Rezko, Auchi, Wright, Nation of Islam, Malley, Powers, Odinga, corruption, lies etc.)
The Israel Insider has another article on the lack of veracity of Obama's birth certificate based on the absence of a seal, but it's there.
As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount Israel Insider Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school."
So where is that birth certificate? It got lost? The dog ate it? No matter. Barack Obama or an immediate family member can plunk down $10 ($11.50 if he orders online) and have Hawaii mail a certified document to him within a week or two. But more than two weeks have passed since the Obama campaign adopted the suspect, uncertified image of a purported birth document published by a left-wing blog Daily Kos, and nothing certified and nothing on paper has since has been forthcoming. Nor has there been any official comment about the issue from the campaign. They may cling to the hope -- however audacious -- that the one issue that could disqualify their man constitutionally from gaining the presidency will just go away.
Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times, and a reporter for the paper's "Politifact" blog, said that she has been seeking the birth certificate "for months." She was frustrated: "Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled."
Finally, the campaign released the image (resembling the one at the top of this article). Hollyfield e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us. Then the firestorm started.
The seal appears to be there. Click on the "Continue" link below for a video demonstration.
Could it be a case of much ado about nothing? Doug Ross thinks so. Questions have been raised about the copy posted on the Daily Kos site bore a state seal embossed. ..one of Pamela Geller's readers did some heavy-lifting with Photoshop and discovered what appears to be an embossed seal on the back of Obama's certificate.
Ross writes:
I was startled because I had carefully reviewed the image weeks ago and not seen any clue of a signature or embossed seal. I spent some time this morning playing with various graphics settings until I was able to tease a similar image out of the scan.
It certainly appears to be legitimate.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/the-missing-oba.html
Delete this thread if it's a duplicate. There was no copy of it when I started to post.
There should still be much “ado” about this: Obama constantly refuses being called a Liberal yet he chose to release his personal document to a Liberal website.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
This guy is no Chauncey Gardiner.
***You mean from the Peter Sellers movie? In that case, I guess I’d say, “I understand”.
One thing I’m not clear about is that if someone wanted to take a legitimate birth certificate and put in fake information, would the seal pull through in Photoshop?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
The issue of the “seal” doesn’t answer the questions regarding his citizenship. The fact that he has to lie about where he went to GRADE SCHOOL should be a big hint as to what else is being buried regarding his past.
Maybe the folks at DailyKOS did it so that all the heat would die down? I dunno.
It’s hard to dissect that liberal thinking where something that’s “fake but accurate” is acceptable.
Who cares what a photo shows. Photos are easy to doctor.
Anyone running for President needs to produce a valid, actual birth certificate proving they meet the constitutional requirements of being a natural born citizen.
Anyone running for President needs to produce a valid, actual birth certificate proving they meet the constitutional requirements of being a natural born citizen.
***Agreed, bump that.
And how about the fact that two different versions were actually posted, the one on KOS and the one Obama’s own site. They can’t both be genuine.
I hadn’t heard that one. Do you have links so that we can all come up to speed?
I'm still skeptical. This does not address the obviously phony margins. The document on Kos was photoshopped. Why hasn't Kos or BO released the original? It would be so easy to clear up if there weren't a problem with the original.
But your point is a good one. Why was this even an issue in the first place if there is a legitimate birth certificate in BO's possession? Make a hi-res copy of both sides and release it. Everything done in one hour. Instead, it's turned into a big drama.
LOL... some of us FR were way ahead of this blogger!
LOL... some of us on FR were way ahead of this blogger!
I agree. We should demand an actual Paper copy of the certificate from Obama. And to be fair, from McCain, Barr, Nader and anyone else running for president.
If we just question Obama’s certificate we will look like kooks. That’s why we need them all.
Why would any one go to the trouble of posting a fake birth certificate online
To make us look bad. Now, the next time there is a real reason to go after this Socialist pig Obama he’ll get to say , “see there goes the right wing conspiracy wackoos again “.
I maintain that the whole “Obama’s birth certificate is a fake” controversy was planted by Obama operatives to divert attention away from the more credible “Obama is a homosexual crackhead” controversy.
Wouldn't the authorizing signature appear also, like on the Decosta document?
I would not make too much out of BHO's birth certificate unless it's obviously "fishy" (which it very well could be...we'll stay tuned!) but what I'd really like to know is, what about his dear old Mum?! Someone called in to C-Span the other a.m. and mentioned that...and I realized, it's true we hear nothing ever about his mother (God rest her soul, but her boy IS running for President...)
what is osama obama hiding ?
I’m with youse on that one, LOL! ; )
I doubt there is anything at all to this birth certificate thing . It’s making us look like fools and we’re not concentrating on the 100 other real reasons why this clown needs to be defeated.
“one of Pamela Geller’s readers did some heavy-lifting with Photoshop and discovered what appears to be an embossed seal on the back of Obama’s certificate.”
You can’t emboss one side if a piece of paper!
It seems odd the press is not camped outside her door. Someone must know where the old bat lives.
She doesn’t have a door, she has a headstone. If you want to get her thoughts on her son, you’ll need a medium and a Ouija Board.
Teh mystery is not solved, not in the least, if anything, more questions are surfacing.
Here are 3 recent threads, read not just the articles, but the posts, people have posted a lot of additional info.
Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be “natural born” US citizen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037867/posts
As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037877/posts
And
BUSTED HARD! PROOF of Obama Birth Certificate FRAUD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2037934/posts
And more articles show up, if you do a search on FR on “certificate”, but the above 3 are from yesterday, with lots of info.
It is not true that only family members can request copies.
ANYONE can request a copy, but you need a signed permission from the person whose BC you are requesting.
All Obama would have to do is sign such permission and let some responsible media people, like O’Reilly, request one from Hawaii.
This thread draws attention to a difference in the actual text.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2037934/posts
Several others, right here on Free Republic, illustrate the differences in the borders.
However, the most telling point of all as far as I’m concerned is expert analysis (again detailed in several threads here) that both versions were completely computer generated, when it was confirmed by the Hawaiian official that certified copies of Birth Certificates are NEVER computer generated, they are printed on paper stock.
There is indeed something fishy here. If its all above board it would cost Obama all of $10 to get a new, properly stamped and signed one, issued.
Maybe it's to hide the 666. :-\
You are way behind... The 2 folds have been found on the Obama cert. Which proves it is not a electronic submitted version of it. It is a scan of a folded cert that was put into a jpg file.
There is nothing wrong with the fonts. The basketweave paper and border is printed at security paper company using copper plates on a printing press. The basketweave bordered paper is them sent to Hawaii and they drop the sheets in a laser printer and print out everything else, (this is why the fonts have spray around them but the border does not) The the REV info is also printed by the laser printer. Then it is stamped with an embossing seal, sig seal, and date stamped with a ink date stamp.
If you want to verify this start reading the Obama cert threads, all of them. Or copy the Obama cert image on your computer and do some zoom viewing yourself on the cert.
"Someone must know where the old bat lives."
The lady is deceased since 1995 due to ovarian cancer. Her mother is alive, in her late 80s and lives in Hawaii.
“The 2 folds have been found on the Obama cert.”
Which one?
I agree...
But I am just getting sick of the rumors going around FR about this cert. Like there are no folds in it, the fonts where added later, blah blah blah. (It is really making us look bad as whole group)
Yes Obama needs to produce his original BC, we know he has it because it wrote that he did find it in his book.
Good point. I've seen more than one newly-issued cert (genealogy) where you could barely make out the embossed seal with the naked eye, and so it literally disappears on a scanned copy.
The very first cert is the dailykos one, Then 1 day later the Obama smear one showed up. They are the same image of the same cert. The Obama smear one was just reduced in size from off the dailykos one.
Then some smart@ss from the dailykos named opendna decided to clean off the Obama smear version file of the cert. He made 2 versions.
If you do some research on the dailykos for 2 posters named opendna and corvo, you will learn alot about these 2. opendna has crossed paths with corvo and opendna named one of the Obama certs with corvo name. Both are on opendna’s photobucket site.
I’ll tell you what... click on my user name and find my posts for the last 2 days about this cert stuff.
I have to hit the bed... Goodnite
the whole book was a latter day reconstruction and largely a work of fiction; sure, fifteen years later when he wrote the book, he "remembers" exactly what was in this packet he found, etc. Do you have any such indelible memories from 15 years ago? He couldn't even remember touring the house with Rezko on the day of purchase much less long ago.
He needs to show us one like this... I was born in 66 and mine looks almost exactly like this. I wasn’t born in IL either. So I know he has one like this.
http://www.peterspioneers.com/marilynBC.jpg
I ended up paying about $75 to overnight (3 days) the same copy I had, except it was on watermark paper ... the same fold shadow and page number on the "official" doc as my copy.
a) The official seal of the department of health
shall be circular in shape, TWO AND ONE-FOURTH INCHES IN DIAMETER. At the curve on the top portion there
shall be the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and at the
curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words
“STATE OF HAWAII.” At the curve on each side portion
shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be
the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents,
which has long been recognized as a universal symbol
of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an
indentation, which shall separate it from the words
“DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and “STATE OF HAWAII.” For
illustrative purposes, a black and white drawing of
the official seal is attached at the end of this
section as Exhibit “A,” titled “Seal of the Department
of Health,” and dated November 1, 1988, and made a
part of this section.
(b) The official seal of the department of
health shall be embossed near the signature of the
director of health to verify commissions of
appointment of deputy directors and notaries public,
certificates, and other formal official documents on
which the official seal has been customarily used or
is appropriate to be used, as the director of health
may determine on a case-by-case basis.
(c) The seal of the department of health may
also be reproduced, in either an enlarged or a reduced
size, on official stationery, reports, certificates,
equipment, supplies, uniform insignia, and other
objects and items to be used or produced by the
department of health, but the reproduction and use of
the seal shall always be subject to the exclusive
control of the director of health.
[Eff 2/14/2005 ] (Auth: HRS §§321-9, 91-2)
Compare the DeCosta and Obama embossed seal areas (for those who can see it on Obama’s). DeCosta’s diameter top-to-bottom covers 9.5 green background || marks which can be taken to meet the standards noted above at TWO AND ONE-FORTH INCHES IN DIAMETER. Obama’s only covers 6.5 green background || marks which cannot then also be the size specified by Hawaii statute.
An embossing so faint that it is unrecognizable is no embossing at all.
This video from Pamela is so bogus. A few 5 second stills showing how she “uncovered the seal” in a 3 minute video.
And in none of these silent pictures is she using the program she’s talking about. I tried her suggestions and couldn’t see any hint of a seal. What a load of bunk.
And she claims the “FightTheSmears” site released the birth certificate early and didn’t show how the seal could be shown until now for a reason. Why? And I kid you not this is how it was spelled... “This was Bate.” Lol. Hilarious.
Why is the number on the right side of the (alleged) certificate image blacked out?
Why do you assume opendna “cleaned it up”?
That makes no sense. Why would you “blank one up”? Because you’re bored? Besides, Opendna and this corvo guy are too busy blogging all day long.
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