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Code Pink Founder: "I Wouldn't Characterize Anybody Who Fought in Vietnam As A War Hero."
confederateyankee.mu.nu ^ | June 30, 2008

Posted on 06/30/2008 10:46:10 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: YearningToUnderstand
Not everyone who paints is an artist.
Concur.

Not everyone who plays an instrument is a musician.
Concur.

Not everyone who plays a sport is an athlete.

Putting on a uniform and carrying a gun in a combat scenario does not, automatically, make you a hero.

No, but it does make you a patriot.

A hero is someone who goes above and beyond the call.

...and one who suffers greatly as a patriot (both famous and unknown): i.e. Nathan Hale, Maj. Gen. Joshua Chamberlain, Maj. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson, Lt. Col. John MaCrae, Sgt. Daniel Daly, USMC; Audie Murphy, and also John McCain.

41 posted on 06/30/2008 11:38:15 AM PDT by meandog ((please pray for future President McCain, day minus 304 and counting))
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To: YearningToUnderstand
(Putting on a uniform and carrying a gun in a combat scenario does not, automatically, make you a hero.)

I beg to differ. Enlisting in the US Military in any Branch and regardless of being placed in a combat zone makes you a true hero in my book.
By doing so you have put the freedoms and liberty of all Americans above your own.
At anytime you wear a Military uniform you could be placed into a combat situation.
You earn precious few dollars to obtain the contempt of the American Media and about half of American Politicians and Government.
You earn the right to work long hours, not know what holidays are. You also earn the right to be criminally charged for doing your job..
You earn the right to have a flag given to your family when you give your life for the defense of freedom and liberty for millions of people that would not give you the time of day if they passed you in the street and you were in uniform.
In the past month I have attended 2 funerals as a flag bearer and escorter of young men that gave their lives fighting in the Terrorist War. I have another one later this week.
Its is not that these young men are dead that they are heroes. Its that they willing risked there lives to protect my family and my families freedoms. They would have been heroes to me if they had survived and gotten back home to their families safely.

42 posted on 06/30/2008 11:38:33 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: YearningToUnderstand
YearningToUnderstand
Since Jun 30, 2008

Putting on a uniform and carrying a gun in a combat scenario does not, automatically, make you a hero.
I'm a combat vet and I can't say that I disagree.
Welcome to FR ... we'll be watching.
43 posted on 06/30/2008 11:43:41 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: bmwcyle

People forget that Clark was the Commander in Charge of the assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. He was run out of the Army for various reasons, and he surfaces by comparing himself to McCain? He is not worthy of tying McCain’s shoes.


44 posted on 06/30/2008 11:43:41 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Well put. Thank you.


45 posted on 06/30/2008 11:43:55 AM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns - but only until it is time to go to Church)
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To: YearningToUnderstand
It’s truly awful to have been tortured and it’s something I don’t think anyone should have to endure, but does merely not getting dead during the proceedings make him a hero?

I suggest you take your head out of your butt for a moment and consider a few points aside from the 'semantics' on the definition of the word 'hero.'

Point #1. Anyone who 'volunteers' to strap on a military fighter jet as a chosen profession has some serious guts. War or no war, those machines are very unforgiving and will kill you in a moment if you do not show them all due respect. They are not at all like playing the NASCAR experience.

Point #2. Double the guts factor for anyone either brave or insane enough to volunteer to operate that same treacherous machine off and back on to the pitching deck of a carrier.

Point #3. After being man enough to accomplish both points #1 and 2, now get in that dangerous machine, fly it off that dangerous deck and take it into the most heavily defended air space in the world where people who have demonstrated great skills in shooting down aircraft are trying to kill you just as they have also killed many of your closest friends.

I'll allow you to sit in your armchair and define the word hero and I don't really give a damn what definition you come up with. I'm more interested in people who have shown the guts to put themselves in harm's way for a greater cause.

46 posted on 06/30/2008 11:44:48 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: MrB
Wow, hadn't heard that - did he get any medals?

He says he did...but I'd take that with a grain of rice... ; )

47 posted on 06/30/2008 11:45:03 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: seoul62

Uh. Yes.

I think.


48 posted on 06/30/2008 11:45:37 AM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns - but only until it is time to go to Church)
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To: bmwcyle

People forget that Clark was the Commander in Charge of the assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. He was run out of the Army for various reasons, and he surfaces by comparing himself to McCain? He is not worthy of tying McCain’s shoes.


49 posted on 06/30/2008 11:48:37 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Teacher317
It's quite simple, really. Kerry was in VietNam. He was not a hero. Ergo, not everyone who goes in-country is a hero.

To the credit if Kerry, he and everybody else who served in Vietnam passed up the safe haven of Canada available to those who loved their precious hide more than their country.

And thanks to Carter, the biggest cost the Canada option entailed has been taken away.

50 posted on 06/30/2008 11:49:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Who cares what Medea Benjamin thinks?

I know I don't give a rats keyster what she says. I was not in Vietnam, but I was trained by people who were. They have been and always will be my heroes.

And may I add that Medea Benjamin is welcome to sit down and shut up anytime she wants.

God bless all of our Heroes who served in Vietnam.

53 posted on 06/30/2008 11:51:56 AM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: YearningToUnderstand

I am a Vietnam Era Veteran (Navy, never on shore), and i can tell you it is a miracle that he never had his a$$ fragged. He epitomizes the selfish attitude of elitist officers of that era, while McCain, whether you agree with his politics or not, put his life on the line, and stood up for his fellow servicemen. I may be a little too critical of Clark, but I know his type...he doesn’t give a damn for his fellow servicemen, but, like Kerry, has no problem taking advantage of other people’s bravery for political gain. I can tell you, as one that has put his life on the line on more than one occasion, it is not a sense of patriotism or romanticism that drives men to do heroic deeds, but a sense of not letting down your fellow brothers in combat—that is the driving factor—ask your uncle. The problem I have with Clark is that in my opinion, he could care less about his fellow servicemen.


54 posted on 06/30/2008 12:00:18 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Ditto

Ditto that comment Ditto!


56 posted on 06/30/2008 12:03:45 PM PDT by mnehring (What in the name of Gods arse is potpourri? Looks like breakfast. Smells like your auntie.)
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To: YearningToUnderstand

Do you like Kitties?


57 posted on 06/30/2008 12:04:46 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama= Not Hope & Change! He brings Hype & Chains!)
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To: YearningToUnderstand

Welcome to FR. What wars have you seen?


58 posted on 06/30/2008 12:06:21 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: YearningToUnderstand; Ditto
Maybe I grew up reading too many Captain America, Batman and Spider-Man comics...

..and there is the rub.. you are basing your definition of hero on myth, not on real people doing real, extraordinary things.

59 posted on 06/30/2008 12:06:34 PM PDT by mnehring (What in the name of Gods arse is potpourri? Looks like breakfast. Smells like your auntie.)
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To: YearningToUnderstand

Ah jeez.


60 posted on 06/30/2008 12:06:52 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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