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Getting Out is Not Enough/ Education, We Must Redefine It!
http://educationconversation.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/getting-out-is-not-enough/ ^ | Tammy Drennan

Posted on 07/01/2008 10:40:58 AM PDT by wintertime

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To: SoftballMominVA
Interesting point . . . how do all these child phenoms get into college before the age of 12, yet millions of others are ‘trapped’ in a system they can't escape?
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They are almost always homeschoolers. And....Aren't you the first to point out that not everyone can homeschool?

61 posted on 07/01/2008 1:24:38 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Man50D

It was created by bureaucrats and special interests socialists who wanted to control children and teens.
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I call them communists and Marxists. That is what they really are.


62 posted on 07/01/2008 1:26:33 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: MrB
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the track records for the ACT and SAT have been very good in predicting the success of those entering college.

There are some who'd like to dispute that, but I believe you are correct.

There was a recent thread about the new version of the SAT the other day, which said that adding an essay didn't make it predict success any better, but it's still a good predictor nonetheless.

63 posted on 07/01/2008 1:27:52 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: MrB

>> And the ONE and ONLY area where libs support individual rights is consequence free sexual behavior choices.

Not sure I’d go quite that far. They support the individual right to burn the flag, submerge a crucifix in urine, spit on soldiers, abort infants, protest American happiness and success ... etc.

Ultimately, they support your individual right to be as repugnant as you can be ... free of judgment or scorn from religion, government or individuals who might find you a reprehensible excuse for a human being.

H


64 posted on 07/01/2008 1:28:02 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Jack Bauer for President '08 -- All the world's terrorists hate him. Sounds like a fair fight.)
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To: T-Bird45

Thank you **very** much.

I retired last year, but I will share this with my fellow professionals.


65 posted on 07/01/2008 1:28:33 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: SoftballMominVA

In my state, students can do joint enrollment at local colleges during their junior and/or senior years, with tuition paid for by the state. The college courses count for high school graduation credit AND for college credit.


66 posted on 07/01/2008 1:29:41 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: wintertime
Please do a Google on the words: Truant and police.

And the last time you said this I told you the same thing, I am not doing your homework for you.

NO proof, No documentation, the only thing we can assume is that it does not exist.

Until YOU support this wild claim stop making it.

67 posted on 07/01/2008 1:30:30 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA
They are almost always homeschoolers. And....Aren't you the first to point out that not everyone can homeschool?

YOU need to provide proof of this or retract your wild claims.

68 posted on 07/01/2008 1:35:28 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
Until YOU support this wild claim stop making it.
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Thoughtful Freepers understand that doing a Google search on the words, “Truant and Police”, will bring up thousands of examples where police ( armed) were used to enforce the government school will.

I am certain they are scratching their heads wondering about your post.

69 posted on 07/01/2008 1:35:38 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA
Top Ten Things You'll Need to Do to Skip High School and Enter College -- apparently written by a kid who did it...
70 posted on 07/01/2008 1:37:06 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: verga; SoftballMominVA
You are correct.

Aren't you often among to first to point out on these threads that not everyone can homeschool?

71 posted on 07/01/2008 1:37:27 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Great SAT scores at the age of 13 is no guarantee of acceptance in college. The SAT and ACT are not sufficiently comprehensive enough. For instance, the SAT will not show if that child has a grasp of 7th grade history, for instance.

That's why I suggested taking CLEP as well. They may call it SAT II tests now...

72 posted on 07/01/2008 1:39:17 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia; SoftballMominVA; wintertime
n my state, students can do joint enrollment at local colleges during their junior and/or senior years, with tuition paid for by the state. The college courses count for high school graduation credit AND for college credit.

And next year I will be getting certified to teach one of those courses, and the year after i should be getting certified to teach a second.

Just another dedicated public school professional going beyond the call of duty at my own expense to provide for the students entrusted to me by parents who care enough to provide the very best for their children.

Home schooled children are not eligible for this are they?

73 posted on 07/01/2008 1:41:23 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Amelia
Hm?...Very good idea!

My children are grown now, but this seems to be a good suggestion for those currently homeschooing. I will pass this information on to my children who are now homeschooling their children.

Thanks!!!

74 posted on 07/01/2008 1:42:05 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Thoughtful Freepers understand that doing a Google search on the words, “Truant and Police”, will bring up thousands of examples where police ( armed) were used to enforce the government school will.

Honest Freepers can provide documentation when it requested.

If you can't provide the documentation what does that make you?

I guess we can connect the dots.

75 posted on 07/01/2008 1:44:19 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Amelia
Here is an 11-year-old public school student who is also taking college courses. The article says:

In order to be eligible for the class within Cal State L.A.’s Pre-Accredited College Enrollment Program, Daanyaal passed an exam and also completed an interview.

76 posted on 07/01/2008 1:45:09 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: JenB

True, she’s still young. We know she loves horses and that’s great. But it doesn’t mean that she will make a career out of working with horses. At age 14 it’s just too soon to know that.


77 posted on 07/01/2008 1:45:35 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: wintertime
Behavior that is written off as being "typical" of the teen years is generally **not** seen in homeschoolers who have been homeschooled from the beginning.

Can you give some examples?

78 posted on 07/01/2008 1:47:00 PM PDT by bvw
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA
I did **not** discuss acceptance in college. My comments were entirely confined to eligibility for government and private scholarships ( and loans.) I am assuming that you were rushed when you read my posts. I know that your reading skills are excellent and I know that you would not deliberately create a strawman.

By the way, I can only guess that you were rushed when you read my post, but I was not responding to anything you said.

I was responding to a post by SoftballMominVA. She had been discussing the use of various tests by homeschoolers and others.

79 posted on 07/01/2008 1:53:02 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: wintertime

>> There are children by the millions stuck in government schools who are just as bright and similarly talented as my son,..but...these institutionalized children are artificially held back merely to serve as widgets in providing jobs to government employees in the education-industrial-complex.

Congratulations to you and your child. Impressive. Nonetheless, home-school parents tend to think that their way is the only way to a quality education. It isn’t. I am a product of public education, and am relatively successful, well educated, and well adjusted. I graduated public school only 11 years ago — so this isn’t as if I grew up in the 50’s.

Like home-schools, public school can be a mixed bag ... there are bad schools, and good ones. Generally, the schools are as bad or as good as the parents demand. In low income areas, they tend to suck because parents tend not to care — i. e. they are uninvolved. Because the parents are uninvolved, the kids are poorly civilized, and good teachers won’t teach in a war-zone. Parental involvement necessarily leads to better behaved students, which leads to better teachers, which leads to better educated students.

However, there are public schools with involved parents, good teachers, and exceptionally well educated and well behaved children. For instance, the schools in suburban Houston are quite good.

Home-schools can be bad as well. I’ve heard of home-schools where the parents were hippies and took their kids out of public school because it was indoctrinating their kids with authoritarianism and imperialism. The school was set up as some kind of commune ... and the kids were dumb as bricks.

Ultimately, its all about parenting.

H


80 posted on 07/01/2008 1:53:08 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Jack Bauer for President '08 -- All the world's terrorists hate him. Sounds like a fair fight.)
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