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Legislator: Law allows banishment of Bible
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | July 01, 2008 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/02/2008 3:23:52 AM PDT by Man50D

A lawmaker in Colorado who challenged the authors of SB200, a new law that bans discrimination based on the "perception" of gender, during House debate says it was written to give a wide open door to anyone who wants to banish Christian beliefs or the Bible.

"This is so loaded. It's written in an open-ended fashion that anybody can take just about any part of it and grow it into a huge monstrosity," state Rep. Kevin Lundberg told WND today. "It was written with intentional [vagueness]."

He spoke with WND after a news conference at which a number of groups and organizations announced plans to challenge the law. Among those promising to dispute the new limitations on speech and actions was Liberty Counsel, which is reviewing the situation now in preparation for a legal challenge.

"Section 8 of Senate Bill 200 is a wide open door for any judge to censor anything that condemns homosexuality, including Scripture," Lundberg said at the news conference. Section 8 is headlined, "Publishing of discriminative matter forbidden."

"I do believe that the Bible is banned, under the plain language of this new statute," said Steve Crampton, general counsel of Liberty Counsel.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; firstamendment

1 posted on 07/02/2008 3:23:52 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

We are not in Canada anymore, Toto.


2 posted on 07/02/2008 3:38:21 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Man50D

And, once the Bible in its entirety is banished, them the door is wide open to introduce the NEW prophecy, the Koran.

It would be widely available in its English translation, with many of the controversial verses carefully “translated”, so as to blunt the really evil intent of meaning. The innocuous English version is what would be made known to the potential converts, and once they had converted, they would learn the particulars of Arabic language that would enable the True Believers to look upon the intent of the Prophet as he was meant to be understood. Kill the unbelievers, enslave the doubtful and create a true patriarchy of the Noble Islamic Gentlemen Given Exceptional Respect.


3 posted on 07/02/2008 3:45:01 AM PDT by alloysteel (A taxpayer voting for Obama - is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.)
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To: Man50D

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.

But it’s okay for a state legislature to prohibit huh?


4 posted on 07/02/2008 3:49:56 AM PDT by diverteach (http://foolishpleasurestudio.com/eyewool/slap_hillary.html)
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To: diverteach
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

Subject to judicial interpretation...no matter how plain the language is.

5 posted on 07/02/2008 4:16:01 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Man50D

The leftist will not like the new CRUSADE if they try this!

LLS


6 posted on 07/02/2008 4:19:56 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... not communism!!!)
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To: diverteach
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. But it’s okay for a state legislature to prohibit huh?

Don't overlook the fact that the left will use our own laws against us...for example:

1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Note that the 1st Amendment specifically states "Congress shall make no law"....it doesn't say State Legislators......

One day, we may be looking at the possiblility of Sharia law in a state...Kalifornia...are you listening?

7 posted on 07/02/2008 4:22:33 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

Not true. States belonging to the republic MUST base their own Constitutions from the US Constitution. They cannot circumvent the US based document.


8 posted on 07/02/2008 4:27:41 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames
Not true. States belonging to the republic MUST base their own Constitutions from the US Constitution. They cannot circumvent the US based document.

Article six covers this and I agree in principle...but how about the...Washington DC gun ban? It lasted for decades.....and they are still dragging their feet to comply.

I don't claim to be a Constitutional scholar, but the ignorance of "the people" and the ability of legislators and judges to make laws that violate the US Constitution is a fact of history. How about abortion?

9 posted on 07/02/2008 4:39:30 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Man50D

The article isn’t very clear. Is this a Colorado State law or a federal law?


10 posted on 07/02/2008 4:49:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cbkaty
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. [Emphass added]
11 posted on 07/02/2008 4:52:35 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: cbkaty

That only occurred because of the WEAKNESS of WE the PEOPLE. Should’ve held their feet to the fire 30 years ago. No excuse, it’s us as a whole and we need to take a stand early on in many cases, instead of hiding behind good, strong organizations like the NRA to do our duty for us (yes, I’m a member of course!).

We need to take back our country. Either our laws are based on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights or they aren’t. Either we are going to abide by them or not. If not, then hand in your guns or whatever (Bibles too) and turn yourselves over to the state and be good sheeple.

What a shameful time in our Republic. Look at these weak, pathetic candidates, if that doesn’t send out a message to our enemy, then our enemy are dumb as posts—NOT.


12 posted on 07/02/2008 4:52:47 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: brushcop
That only occurred because of the WEAKNESS of WE the PEOPLE.

AGREED! BRAVO! The weakness of THE PEOPLE will be the weak link in the respect and support of the Constitution....after all....the 2nd Amendment survived by one vote and that hinged on politics.... The Constitution is now, more than ever, subject to the whim of the times...and activist judges....

13 posted on 07/02/2008 4:58:09 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: tacticalogic
The article isn’t very clear. Is this a Colorado State law or a federal law?

From the first sentence: "A lawmaker in Colorado who challenged the authors of SB200"

Congress doesn't use SB in it's bill designations. It's either HR or S.
14 posted on 07/02/2008 5:15:12 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

It took quite a while to find the bill on the internet, don’t these so-called journalists think it pertinent enough to link to the matter at hand? Sheesh.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2008A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/BD7A295EB6F4460E872573F5005D0148?Open&file=200_enr.pdf


15 posted on 07/02/2008 5:17:23 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: Lucky Dog
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Now...explain the "right" to ABORTION to me.....

This is blatantly depriving a person of life.... Like I said, a weak PEOPLE will allow incremental destruction of rights & freedom in the naive pursuit of perceived safety and relegation of responsibility.

16 posted on 07/02/2008 5:20:39 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
Now...explain the "right" to ABORTION to me.....

Sorry... The only explanation is judicial activism that has over reached any semblance of "interpretation of the law" and turned into "legislating from the bench." Such judicial activism breaching the same principle is blatantly displayed in the CA Supreme Court decision concerning same sex marriage.
17 posted on 07/02/2008 5:31:33 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: diverteach

Colorado Springs is a funny place for an atheist such as myself. A lot of employers require candidates and new hires to sign a “Christian Statement”, which varies from office to office. The first time I learned of this, my jaw dropped.

Oddly enough, as an atheist signing the statement for me was akin to signing a UFO statement. Null and Void.

I believe this legislature, and this article are only half of the story.

Now, that I told FreeRepublic that I’m an atheist: Let the rocks fly !


18 posted on 07/02/2008 5:41:33 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Man50D

Its purpose is to criminalize behavior that is now common, and put White Christians in jail.


19 posted on 07/02/2008 6:03:20 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: Man50D; Lesforlife; wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


20 posted on 07/02/2008 6:04:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Celerity

Don’t worry, the vast majority of FReepers are decent people, although a small minority will attack you for it.


21 posted on 07/02/2008 7:28:11 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Lucky Dog

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

That’s right. We can all own any type and as many weapons as we want to.


22 posted on 07/02/2008 7:44:26 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Lucky Dog

I forgot the sar5casm tag.


23 posted on 07/02/2008 7:45:20 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: cbkaty
1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Note that the 1st Amendment specifically states "Congress shall make no law"....it doesn't say State Legislators......

And I present to you section 1 of the 14th Amendment

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; [Emphasis mine] nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Applies to every right listed in the Bill of Rights except the 2nd (for some odd duck reason).

24 posted on 07/02/2008 8:13:20 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Beware the fury of the man that cannot find hope or justice.)
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To: Celerity
Colorado Springs is a funny place for an atheist such as myself. A lot of employers require candidates and new hires to sign a “Christian Statement”...

I presume you mean employers like Focus on the family, the Navigators etc. Employers that have an overtly Christian mission statement. But perhaps in Colorado Springs some employers believe that hiring Christians gives them a competitive advantage - so what - it is their business not yours or the even the peoples. Apparently private property rights go out the door as soon as the word business or employer are used - this is an infringement on property and just part of the rapid loss of liberty that is a cancer on this once free republic.

I suggest that if you are having trouble getting a job as an atheist you have two options: first and best option repent of your rebellion against God, but if you must persist in your abominable philosophy, start your own business -maybe advertise you only hire blasphemers and compete in a market place where customers are still free to do business with whom they choose. You apparently like the option of tyranny the best - where you use the power of the government to advance your godless religion to the determent, even persecution of other religions - all the while losing your own GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

25 posted on 07/02/2008 8:30:34 AM PDT by DaveyB (Either we will be ruled by God or by-god we will be ruled - Ben Franklin)
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To: DaveyB

Wow. Thanks for the “Advice”.

Hey, have fun Sunday.


26 posted on 07/02/2008 10:23:16 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Celerity

Seen Ben Stein’s Expelled??


27 posted on 07/02/2008 10:36:38 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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